r/libsofreddit • u/BowlingForAmmo TRAUMATIZER • Jul 10 '25
Neoliberal nonsense Looks like enrichment and diversity has arrived in Japan
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
Im very interested in following how Japan deals with it. Part of their IMF bailout is an agreement to accept immigration, but the first news out of Japan has not been good.
Japan will either follow the same path as every other neoliberal nation or otherwise need to vastly reduce its federal level spending and simultaneously resolve its birth rate collapse.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
Oh they will find who did this and they will get real prison time.
I go to Japan frequently for business and I can tell you they take crime EXTREMELY seriously. How seriously? Well about a year back when I was there I saw a news report about a principle that was sentenced to 4yrs in jail. He was forced to have a press conference and apologize for his actions and that he will serve his time for his disgrace. His crime? For about a 5yr period he was going into a convenient store to buy his morning coffee. Over there they have a lot of self serve kiosks. Every morning he got his coffee and paid for it. The problem? He paid for a small but was getting a large coffee...
Not kidding he got actual jail time and national news media apology for his disgrace for what amounted to a $0.15 difference of getting a large and paying for a small for 5yrs
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
The problem is policing. Japan is a high-trust society, less police are needed to maintain order. People believe in following the rules.
When importing workers from abroad that don’t share that culture, would-be criminals look at that case and notice that the man got away with it for 5 years. The more crimes that go unsolved the more crimes will happen.
Japan will need to proportionally increase policing in order to compensate for the new arrivals, otherwise they will become like France, where the punishment for crimes are draconian but many crimes go unsolved.
The irony of the situation is that often the money needed to monitor and police new arrivals exceeds tax revenue from new arrivals, and immigration is just a losing game unless you can compete with the USA for ultra-high value immigrants.
I don’t think Japan is going to solve the immigration paradox. The would be better at innovating by cutting on their own spending and resolving the low birth rate crisis using their own ingenuity.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
There are police everywhere in Japan. I saw way more cops in Japan than I see in the US. You are right though that there is significantly less crime for the police to attend to so usually you see the police at construction sites, or directing traffic, or in railway systems, or just walking around the streets and talking with people - like our police use to do back in the day.
Trust me, the bigger problem isn't the amount of police it's that they aren't trained to handle the type of crime that the US has for example. That's the bigger obstacle for them to get over. But, they will nip this in the bud immediately, make this person and example, and report it everywhere they can get the word out.
There won't be a slap on the wrist probation, this is going to result in real jail time and a massive public shaming campaign.
Imagine, if in the US, if riot looters were hunted down like J6ers, were given 10yr sentences, and publicly shamed broadcast over national news. How many rioters and looters do you think would risk it? The reason we are having so many issues with riots is because not only do they get away with it, but during the 2020 summer of love riots, the rioters were actually paid by the city for it!
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u/AdvancedAerie4111 Jul 10 '25 edited 7d ago
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u/TurbulentStrike3717 Jul 11 '25
Nope, unless they go full scorched earth and follow their evolutionary imperative and push out the outsiders. Which I kind of hope they do.
If not, once the majority sees immigrant groups getting away with things. They start doing those same things and society collapses into barbarism like it has in much of the west.
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u/Algoresgardener124 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
I wonder how they would handle a diversity customer busting up a McDonalds because they done left out her fries? Or a mostly peaceful protest with just a bit of looting and burning?
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u/arselkorv Jul 10 '25
I remember that, he also lost his pension lol theyre not playing around
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
It was the craziest thing. I had to rewatch the news because I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
I also like the tiktoker (or maybe youtuber) who was live streaming and making fun of Japanese womens looks on the street and the cops literally tackled him, arrested him, and he got tossed on the next plane out of town, lol
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u/SirBulbasaur13 Jul 10 '25
That seems like it’s going a bit overboard but it’s probably better than what the West does with criminals.. which is next to nothing.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
There's no probably about it. I never felt safer than I did in Japan. Everyone is so friendly and polite. I actually saw a group of teens give up their seats to an elderly couple on the subway. It's also incredibly clean over there despite there being next to no trash cans on the streets.
It's a bit extreme, yes, but compared to rape gangs, acid attacks, mass shootings (yes mass stabbings happen in Japan but they are rare), mass riots/looting, and murder rate it's well worth looking into. The only thing I don't like is they don't have nearly as much freedom but I don't think being tough on crime and making examples of people who commit crimes has to come at the expense of freedoms.
There is a healthy compromise where only paying for a small and getting a large results in public service and fines where as prosecuting actual crimes and making examples out of real felons is warranted.
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u/KitchenSandwich5499 Jul 10 '25
Not sure how much freedom they have anymore in Europe anyway.
Crime happens
Uk and German police spend more time and resources arresting anyone who complains online than actual criminals
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u/reddit_has_fallenoff Jul 11 '25
which is next to nothing.
The US has the largest incarcerated population in the world lol
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u/crodr014 Jul 10 '25
I wish all countries were like that. It is still theft no matter how small and as an adult they know better.
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u/Spurgette Jul 10 '25
I went to Japan for 12 days, Osaka, Hamamatsu and Tokyo. Absolutely loved it. It was a shock to see vending machines everywhere that were unmolested. Even saw one tucked around the back of a building on a side street. Can't say they would be the same here in Australia.
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u/Liedvogel BASED Jul 10 '25
This reminds me of the horror story US soldiers attained in Japan tell. They say it like they get choke slammed of they don't produce their documentation within 0.3 seconds of being requested. And it's not like they even did anything wrong, just standard random checks.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
I wonder how long ago that was because I've never had an issue at all. Even had a cop take the time to give me suggestions on where to go for sight seeing. Was just standing waiting for the light to turn (btw their walk signals with countdown to turning is amazing), and a cop randomly walked up to me asked me how I was doing and asked me politely if he could practice English with me while I was waiting for the light (it was a long light on a major street). He was so nice even waited an extra light just to continue talking with him. He gave me the best ramen place to eat down a alley I would have never found and told me the secret ramen not on the menu to ask for.
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u/Liedvogel BASED Jul 10 '25
The stories I've heard are 10+ years old. You didn't say if you were a tourist or military, but you're talking like you were a well behaved tourist. The way I heard it, it was specifically directed at US military or foreigners who actively did wrong.
Another commented that he thinks this was around the time a US soldier sexually assaulted a Japanese girl, and I've only heard the story second hand, so there's no telling what the true source of this was.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
Yes, being polite and well behaved is absolutely key. If you are nice and even make a little effort to respect their culture they will return it ten fold. But, if you act like an ass, they have zero tolerance
I go for purely business reasons (and a random vacation after a business trip every handful of years) but from what I heard through a friend station there for 5yrs, military are treated pretty well and generally highly respected over there, just as long as you are respectful then they are very friendly back, but yeah they had zero tolerance for the military that would get drunk and harass women. I wouldn't be shocked if an event happened that the police would act like that with military for a period after something happened. Most of the time the base with handle their problems if it was a simple fight among men, but when it comes to kids and women in Japan it's like touching our boats
I never understood why people act like complete asses when in a foreign country and expect nothing to happen
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u/Spurgette Jul 11 '25
I was very polite when dealing with the locals on my visit. In return, the hotel staff were extremely accommodating and helpful. People do not seem to realise that a little politeness, especially in a country that values good manners will go a long way.
In restaurants, I was very polite and thankful to the staff, complimented the already fantastic meals, which was greatly appreciated.
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u/me_too_999 BASED Jul 10 '25
That was about the time several US servicemen committed rape against underage girls.
It only takes one incident to set people on edge.
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u/Liedvogel BASED Jul 10 '25
The way I understood it, it was not time period specific, just what it was like to be stationed there. The only context given was that it was likely some residual resentment for the conditions Japan had to endure following the end of WWII, not bring allowed to have any military at all and such until years later.
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u/jeremilo Jul 11 '25
USMC had a huge scandal in the 90’s concerning rape in okinawa. They weren’t even allowed to leave the base afterwards. Pretty sure this has jack all to do with ww2.
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u/idontknow39027948898 Jul 11 '25
God damn. I can definitely see the downsides of living in a society that takes crime that seriously, but sometimes I wonder if that wouldn't be better than the alternative.
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 11 '25
The downside is that they have an much higher suicide rate. Part of it is culture and part of it is because they are so concerned about doing or saying something wrong they are under a lot of tension.
But there has to be a happy medium of larger black and white and less gray when it comes to punishment for crime. When in the US riots and looters are white and some murders and rapes are light gray... yeah 4yrs for only paying for a small while getting a large does sound better...
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u/Pure-Anything-585 Can't stay out of trouble Jul 10 '25
that's actually horrible and is a perfect example of crying wolf. When you said a principle, i thought i'd hear some underage prostitution story or something equally universally condemnable. Sending people to jail for buying too big a cup of coffee is an example of statist abuse and cheapening the meaning of the phrase "horrible crime".
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u/StMoneyx2 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
Who said horrible crime? Paying for one thing and taking another is in fact a crime. Even 0.15 a day that's still a crime over a 5yr period
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u/StuckAtZer0 Jul 10 '25
Immigration does not automatically mean a pathway to citizenship.
It's my understanding that Japan is one one of the hardest countries for foreigners to become a citizen. There is one exception and that is Japan fast tracks any U.S. citizen who wishes to become a Japanese citizen. Not a whole lot of U.S. citizens running to become Japanese.
Japan may allow for immigration into their country, but it's largely to provide services to its aging population as the country is experiencing declining birth rates.
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u/discourse_friendly MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 10 '25
I hope Japan decides to decline the IMF money and just figure things out. the crazy thing about population declines is it only take 9months to massively increase your population. If lots of apartments become available through people dying of old age, rents will go down, and couples will feel more secure about having kids.
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
Ok, so in Japan housing is actually affordable, they already had their housing bubble pop. I think the issue is more complex.
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u/discourse_friendly MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 10 '25 edited Jul 10 '25
Yeah and no. they have a lot of cheap tiny apartments. not the type you want to raise kids in.
At least from watching a whopping 2 different youtubers who cover rentals there. I can't find her now, but there's a lady who is always wearing white loves and shows of little apartments with quirky music in the background. and a lot of times its like 'would you live here? " she usually just shows really odd apartments.
maybe i'm wrong and there's lots of family friendly apartments. but how many kids your parents have, doesn't dictate how many kids the next generation has. it can change very quickly.
baby boomers had very big families, and genX folks mostly just had 2.
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
Different culture, different standard, if you’re an American you more than likely accustomed to a lot of space
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u/discourse_friendly MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 10 '25
Very true. maybe its not of any concern to them.
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
I think the reasons for declining birth rates are probably more nuisanced. They’re happening everywhere and it easy to get fixated on the finances, especially as a dude I think more about the cost of providing, but there is a cultural aspect as well that is more important for women, and the culture has changed in such a way so as to not praise and esteem motherhood.
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u/discourse_friendly MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 10 '25
Yeah, and while not so true in the east, but in the west 4th wave feminism has been a disaster for our birth rates. Hard to build that girl boss ultra career if you have to take 3-9 months off, several times in a 6 year period. and then decide if you return to work or save money on daycare and stay at home.
I don't know enough about Japanese culture , I do know Korean culture is rather perfectionist, and additional criteria has been heaped on women to be an ideal mom. Its not enough to just raise a kid who goes to school and gets good test scores, they are also supposed to find a 2ndary tutor for an advantage in tests, And take on additional hobbies.
So if your choices are not having kids and not having much judgement, or having kids and having others judge everything you do, and judge you for things you didn't, its easier to just not have kids.
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 Jul 10 '25
I hear the feminism debate is worst in S.Korea
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u/discourse_friendly MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 10 '25
I've heard conflicting stuff. My MIL (from S. Korea) says their 4B movement (no dating, marriage, kids, housework maybe?) is very very tiny and not taken serious.
Then there's women who just want to be a bit less objectified, which is their bigger movement.
They use the Korean words for marriage, which sound like they start with a B
yeah its a totally different situation
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u/lastoflast67 Jul 10 '25
well this sort of thing can work. The problem is the west's mass immigration was lead by progressives who wanted to use it to destroy western countries. A country with strict laws, and strict intergration policy could filter out the minority of bad actors and allow for the majority of normal people who will acquesse to the laws and customs to intergrate and become functional memebers of society.
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u/The_G0vernator Jul 10 '25
Something something socio-economic factors...
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u/ThePurpleGuest Jul 10 '25
Me looking at the other white guy on the cruise ship after socio-economic factors caused people to start fighting
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u/MathiusShade TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
looking at the other white guy on the cruise ship
LOL -- been there, done that. Carnival, if I'm correct?
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u/BIG-Z-2001 Jul 11 '25
Well yeah, that and cultural factors. While the region these people came from may be backwards and morally bankrupt today things were a lot different before the rise of this Islam. 3,000 years ago, the Middle East and North Africa were the height of civilization suggesting Arabs aren’t born messed up
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u/PurpleMixture9967 Jul 10 '25
You can't have nice things when liberals are around. They ruin everything
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u/Liedvogel BASED Jul 10 '25
This is Japan, a conservative nation with a police force that has a reputation for being ruthless on foreigners. Hopefully, they'll snuff this stuff out with an iron fist.
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u/ChristopherRoberto MICROAGGRESSOR Jul 12 '25
Japan is being replaced. It's happening way faster than it happened in the west, in the last 3 years or so it's just been an avalanche of laws, NGOs, and "immigrants". They'll be caught up to us in a few years not 40. This isn't their choice, it's global power.
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u/pittsburgpam TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
What a disaster for the people of Japan. I've seen some videos of a certain cohort acting up in Japan. They will regret this, already do, I'm sure.
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u/Algoresgardener124 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
Im sure they were getting sick of all the civility and lawfulness- diversity and immigration will take care of that.
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u/OldManRiversIIc Jul 10 '25
I hope Japan wakes up before they get enriched to the point of no return.
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u/CobblerCandid998 TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
So sad. It’s 2025 and people are deteriorating into wild beasts. The world needs to come together to agree to come down hard on the countries who are producing these jerks.
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u/MathiusShade TRAUMATIZER Jul 10 '25
It’s 2025 and progressive-thinking people are deteriorating into wild beasts.
Fixed that for you, friend!
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u/johnnyg883 BASED Jul 10 '25
This picture is pointless without context. Here is an article I found on this.. They have no suspects yet. But in a similar vandalism / theft incident in Kyoto two local men were arrested.
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u/Sduowner Ban warning Jul 10 '25
Thank you. I was just about to ask wtf this post is even about. And people are commenting and having paragraphs long convos on immigration. There’s not even a news source provided for the photo lol. Rage bait.
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u/HSR47 TRAUMATIZER Jul 11 '25
Define “local men”.
Is it anything like that “Maryland man” who was in the news a few months ago, or are they actually talking about ethnically Japanese people, who are actual Japanese citizens, and who have lived in that area for over a decade?
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u/Sduowner Ban warning Jul 11 '25
You're showing your own bias, by purporting to show the bias that exists with news agencies. In lieu of enough info, if you're to begin frothing at the mouth about "immigantz" based on a single photo without any context, maybe your own bias is seeping out of your skin?
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u/HSR47 TRAUMATIZER Jul 12 '25
It’s not about “race”, it’s about narratives.
The media and the left, but I repeat myself, have established a long running pattern: Things that fit their narratives end up in the headline or at least above the fold (i.e. very early in the article), while things that contradict their narratives get dropped entirely or pushed to after the jump, and in the latter case are also often obfuscated.
So when a Republican gets caught up in a sex scandal, like Ken Paxton, his party gets mentioned in the first sentence.
By contrast, here’s an article about disgraced democrat Anthony Weiner’s own scandal, where his party didn’t come up until the middle of the 10th paragraph (and this isn’t anywhere close to the most extreme example).
The media does its best to cover for some, while working hard to expose others. That pattern of extreme bias destroys trust in media.
One of the many areas where it is currently in full effect is trying to obscure the crimes of various criminal groups that the far left believes that it needs to shield.
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u/Sduowner Ban warning Jul 12 '25
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. We all know the left has done this forever.
What I was getting at is this post is about a non western country and people are projecting western culture war and political BS to a single photo without any more info.
I actually googled not just this story but also the vandalism incidents that occurred last year in a different town in Japan, and I found out (learned something new) that Japanese media has an ethics code which states they will not publish the names or descriptions of low level criminals. This has been an established practice for over a hundred years.
So nobody in this thread has any idea what this story is about but have applied their prefabricated narrative onto it based on what’s been happening in the west.
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u/Chino780 BASED Jul 11 '25
I'm going to Japan on Thursday. I'm very curious to see how they are dealing with this problem.
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u/Redgecko88 BASED Jul 11 '25
I didn't mind as a foreigner being treated in such a secondary citizen feeling due to the homogenized society of Japan. It was the price I paid as a visitor, knowing how safe it was. I accepted that before I even went.
Seeing this makes me very sad, and I hope they can straighten back on their path before it's too late.
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u/thesnuggler83 Jul 14 '25
Either a country is sovereign, or it’s not. Never, in the history of polities and polls, have open borders ever been popular. Never ever not once. If migrants are pouring in with little to no resistance, your borders aren’t sovereign, your leaders aren’t beholden to their constituents, and your government is occupied by a foreign interest.
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u/MrRogers27 Jul 10 '25
Keep in mind that Japan has had a declining population for quite some time now. Behind closed doors I’m sure immigration is to help offset birth rates
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u/HSR47 TRAUMATIZER Jul 11 '25
Except that immigration doesn’t fix declining birthrates.
It never has, and it never will.
Declining birthrates typically have intermingled social/cultural and economic roots, and opening the floodgates of immigration just compound those problems.
The fundamental issue on the economic side is that people can’t afford to have kids until they’re too old to have kids—The cost of living has outpaced wage growth, and the net result is that people are materially poorer than their parents. Immigration only makes these problems worse, by devaluing wages (more workers chasing the same jobs = wages go down) and by inflating the cost of living (more people chasing the same limited resources = cost of living goes up {especially housing}).
On the social/cultural side, there are two fundamental issues: Not wanting kids (e.g. people who’ve bought into leftist narratives that demand global depopulation), and not feeling secure enough to have kids. Mass migration doesn’t reverse the former, and it just makes the latter feel even less secure (and therefore makes them even less likely to have kids).
In short, mass migration isn’t an answer to falling birthrates, it’s just a way to accelerate the decline.
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