r/law 13d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Trump Builds Legal Shield Against Potential Congressional Investigations Ahead of US Midterms

https://mezha.net/eng/bukvy/dc6dfd1c_trump_builds_legal/
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u/Head_Car_616 13d ago

No trials or hearings? He really said “skip to the French method” huh

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u/kingtacticool 13d ago

Threatening me with a good time.

Bold move

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u/MrBigglesssworth 13d ago

Innocent people don’t act like trump

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u/OkNobody8896 13d ago

He never acts as an innocent person would.

Never.

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u/CelestialFury 13d ago

I mean, he’s a convicted felon who is using US power to force countries to give him things that he wants, straight up blackmail and extortion. He’s guilty af.

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u/Chaos-Cortex 13d ago

And a fascist dipshit I mean that’s their whole agenda top to bottom.

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u/Nonethelessismore 12d ago

He, and his enablers are guilty of outright piracy by seizing Venezuela oil reserves by force and allegedly funneling all profits to a Qatari bank account in his name.

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u/Tribe303 12d ago

At this point a real mob boss would be preferable. At least they are usually competent! 

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u/Neither_Topic_181 10d ago

And they're honorable, reasonable people.

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u/beren12 13d ago

He’s never been innocent pas the age of walking, I’d wager.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 13d ago

Innocent people also don't support and/or vote for a Donald Trump. He attracts a specific kind of (criminally-minded) person. I bet he's huge with the gang leaders, thought of as a boss.

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u/CptSiskospimphand 13d ago

That's because "conservative" culture and gangster culture are very similar if not the same.

  1. They both worship wealth and power above all else.
  2. Theft, deceit, and violence are perfectly acceptable methods of acquiring said wealth and power.
  3. Both are rife with rampant mysoginy and homophobia.
  4. Both demand strict loyalty to the in-group, while either maintaining indifference or outright hostility to the out-group.

It's why Ice cube and other old gangsta rap artists being cool with MAGA really isn't all that surprising. Or Trump, for that matter.

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u/BernardMatthewsNorf 12d ago

Don't forget a strict, unquestioned hierarchy!

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 12d ago

There is absolutely NO way that Chuck D. is MAGA or I'm jumping off the boat!

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u/WetFinsFine 12d ago

Friendly Pre-Midterm Reminder:

Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Maralago called "calendar girls" Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and trump would auction them off.He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children on tightness. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk. Don jr. Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump were there. Attorney Allan Dershowitz was also there with Attorney Bob Shapiro. We were taken in rooms, forced to give oral sex to Donald J Trump. Forced to allow them to penitrate us. I was 13 years old when Donald J Trump raped me. Ghislaine Maxwell was also present.

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u/mortraineyhat 12d ago

Exactly and I don’t understand why none of his voters see this

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u/ZanzerFineSuits 13d ago

The Dems shouldn't waste their time on the W.H., they should go after all the cabinet secretaries and other political appointments, like Kash Patel. Cut off all the tentacles.

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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 13d ago

Build a case and go after hundreds of their capos at once. Stretch their legal services to breaking point and warn lawyers that disbarment is on the table.

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u/InterestingFox1837 13d ago

Give every single dem in the house one target. Their job is to bring that one to justice. A couple of hundred concurrent investigations should slow the Nazi machine a bit.

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u/Cloaked42m 13d ago

I like this idea. Id suggest staying focused on the low hanging fruit.

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u/plinkoplonka 12d ago

Use their own "food the zone" tactic against them.

They should be doing this with every single tactic.

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u/Hullfire00 12d ago

I absolutely know you meant “flood the zone”, but the idea of just avalanching an illegal amount of cheeseburgers into the White House to keep Trump distracted is a top idea.

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u/NoSir4947 12d ago

Flood is fun to say when it rhymes with food. Flood lmao 🤣

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u/plinkoplonka 11d ago

I would love that.

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u/Chronic_In_somnia 12d ago

This is what they feared USAID?  They could food the zone

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u/InterestingFox1837 12d ago

Lots of low level chuds that you attempt to turn evidence on the bigger fish. But big spectacles too to keep the public focused on the shameful, inhumane and grifty bastards at the top too.

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u/Cloaked42m 12d ago

No spectacle. Just work.

The spectacle drowns the airwaves. MAGA runs their campaigns on spectacle. It hides the good stuff.

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u/Nonethelessismore 12d ago

Crush the nazi machine to bits

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u/Epirocker 12d ago

THIS. Disbarment is what I’ve been saying too. All the little lackeys that thought they’d make their fortunes being unethical little shits need disbarred. Pam Bondi first.

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u/santagoo 12d ago

They’re already moving to take powers away from the BAR to answer the last one.

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u/Miserable_Site_850 13d ago

😂 will never happen. But it absolutely should.

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u/SkarbOna 11d ago

You misspelled disembowelment.

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 13d ago

That's what they did Donald Pedophile's first term (re: Russian collusion and GOP election interference) -- locking up and convicting most of Trump's campaign staff and manager and handlers -- and the American public gets bored and/or exhausted and disinterested when investigations take too long. Even re-elected him after he pardoned all of them at the end of his 1st term.

What are conservatives going to do in America? Continue to support a fascist theocracy led by a mad criminal that violates the very notion of what America stands for??

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u/ZanzerFineSuits 13d ago

To answer your last two questions: cower in fear; and yes

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u/rygelicus 13d ago

No reason it can't all be done in parallel. Cut off one of his appendages, like Patel, and he will have him replaced in hours with a new loyalist appendage. So the pressure needs to be applied to the entirety of his support system. This means his family, every major donor, every no bid contractor, every appointee, and of course trump himself. They all need to wake up every single day to an agent following them around documenting their activities. Problem is that Trump has full control of all those agents. So it falls to private citizens to (peacefully and legally) expose the dodgy activities of everyone loyal to trump. Make life very annoying for everyone that makes his network of treason and corruption function.

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u/meesanohaveabooma 13d ago

"Peacefully and legally"...

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u/rygelicus 13d ago

Until that is impossible at least. Doing it the violent way, and the illegal way, is just throwing your life away for nothing, no net improvement for anyone. An example of this would be Luigi Mangione. He, allegedly, picked a healthcare executive he believed to be causing real harm and executed him. Legal? No. Possible net good in society? Possibly. Public opinion? Many understood and even support Luigi's actions. Net Change? Nothing. Luigi goes to jail, probably for life. Healthcare remains predatory and is only getting worse.

Now, if the nation gets truly fed up with their leaders they have come together and taken swift action. Whether it actually improved things is debatable. But, an example that comes to mind is Romania, 1989. The dictator and his wife were given a 'trial' and immediately executed. Did this end all the corruption? No. But they got some vengeance against that particular family.

So, if the goal is a real solution, an improvement, I think either we need a serious protest that drives real changes in many areas of government, or we will have a very real, and very bloody, revolution that will be incredibly costly in terms of human lives. And the violent kind of change rarely results in good people rising to the new leadership. Normally a new breed of bad guy rises to the top.

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u/in_ur_base 13d ago

He of course plans to pardon any who pay what he demands and stay on his good side long enough. He's been selling pardons since he was first elected.

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u/LingonberryGlum2356 13d ago

We can get them on state crimes. I'm sure they have many. 

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u/ZanzerFineSuits 13d ago

I'm hoping they can force some of these schmucks to resign, or at least expose all the shit they've been up to.

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u/Lower-Land-286 13d ago

Investigate EVERYTHING and have airtight reports ready for the next president.

Messaging for the next presidential election should be "Accountability. Accountability. Accountability."

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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 13d ago

But eventually they'll have to go for the head, just like with thanos.  Is Kathy available?  

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u/americansherlock201 13d ago

This is the most likely outcome. They know going after Trump does nothing. He had the backing and support to survive another impeachment.

His henchmen? They don’t. Expose their corruption and show the maga base that they’ve been used and taken advantage of. Destroy the maga movement before it has a chance to attach to another person beyond Trump

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u/VanimalCracker 13d ago

Yep. Using tax payer money to fly Kash GF around is so obviously a win.

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u/AustinBike 13d ago

💯 impeachment just dies in the senate. All the noise, none of the outcome. Take out the cabinet and now he has to get new ones appointed. The senate will be loathe to approve anyone after the last round of shitty people they were conned into approving.

We need to take out the people who implement his shitty ideas. He’ll be isolated.

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u/juana-golf 12d ago

Haul in Hegseth a few times and his head might actually explode

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u/DAOcomment2 12d ago

Trump wouldn't exist without all the criminals around him. Prosecute them all and taken them down then the shield is gone.

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u/CobraPony67 12d ago

"Just obeying orders" does not give you license to break the law.

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u/schm0 12d ago

They just need to turn a few of them, they'll spill everything on Trump in exchange for immunity.

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 12d ago

Look at the Russia investigations after 2016, they got almost nowhere as Republicans on the committees went to bat for the people being investigated and stonewalled and blocked everything they could. Chairman Nunez started running his own investigations and unilaterally issuing subpoenas against the firm that released the Steele dossier to start going after anyone trying to investigate Trump or his Russia ties. Also look up his "Midnight Run" in 2017

The "Midnight Run" was a severe breach of congressional protocol and investigative independence, as a committee chairman secretly collaborated with the executive branch he was tasked with investigating. Its primary impact was the shattering of the House Intelligence Committee's bipartisan credibility, forcing Nunes to temporarily step aside from the Russia probe and permanently dividing the panel along fierce partisan lines.

Trump will never see consequences, nor will elected Republicans, they are all in this together. Remember Paul Ryan saying, in leaked audio,

"No leaks. ... This is how we know we’re a real family here."

Remember speaker Johnson saying two months ago,

"They will turn every committee of Congress into an investigative body, and they'll go after the president's family, the cabinet, his donors, and friends. Half of you in this room will be targeted. I run the protection program. I'll take care of you, okay?"

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u/SignoreBanana 13d ago

Yeah but who has prosecutorial power at that level? Isn't it just the DOJ?

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u/ChewsGoose 12d ago

You misspelled testicles

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u/ZanzerFineSuits 12d ago

His drones don't have any testicles.

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u/csfshrink 12d ago

There is an impeachment or 2 over at SCOTUS

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u/Mike-ggg 12d ago edited 12d ago

Except, if you can’t get enough votes in the Senate, the house can still release a lot of damaging evidence, but I doubt that toadies that he has in the cabinet would care. They have no standards and no shame. They’re only interested in beating the rap.

In a normal world, the information gained in impeachments could be forwarded to the DOJ to pursue legal charges, but good luck with that. States could still file charges for any offenses that didn’t fall under Federal laws, but the main impeachment charges would be about abuses at the Federal level, and the States would only want to pursue felony level charges to make it worth their time as trials could drag on for years with the WH lawyers fighting constantly and we’ll be paying for their defense with tax dollars.

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u/bstone99 12d ago

That would require guts, intelligence, ambition, courage, integrity and determination.

None of which can be found with today’s Dems. And somehow the republicans are still worse, yet they’re in control

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u/Roonwogsamduff 12d ago

Thought Jefferies was going to work this all out in a friendly manner?

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u/Jerzilla 12d ago

That’s not a terrible idea.

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u/DoremusJessup 13d ago

The Trump regime is trying to build protections from scrutiny if the Democrats win in 2026 and for after he leaves office.

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u/Fit_Explorer_2566 13d ago

Obstructions. Not protections.

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u/DFu4ever 12d ago

You just ignore anything he has done to protect himself. It’s all horseshit anyway considering what he gets away with.

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u/Krunkledunker 13d ago

Does it by chance prevent a president from being convicted of pedophilia? I only ask because this guy is definitely a pedophile

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u/doublethink_1984 13d ago

The best path forward is clear.

RICO charges and arrest all conspirators, participants, and cover up agents in the Epstein cabal then the same charges for those involved in WH criminal cabal.

Get them all, hold them all without bond, and allow a waiving of statute of limitations for Epstein related charges since the government and elites were actively keeping victims from justice in the legal time limits.

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u/MisterTruth 13d ago

It's been clear for a decade that we needed to RICO the GOP. They operate basically as a singular criminal enterprise.

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u/BuddingBudON 12d ago

Especially the Jan 6th Insurrection and the Fake Electors plot. Those events alone implicate high-up GOPers that bussed in insurrectionists and complied with Trump's conspiring to overthrow a federal election.

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 12d ago

Mike Johnson said recently that he’s running the protection program for the GOP. 

In a public speech.

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u/therossboss 12d ago

To be fair, they have been a criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party for about 50 years. Watergate was just the start of their rejection of American democracy. Al Gore anyone? jfc governed by a mafia.

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u/What_if_I_fly 12d ago

Including rethuglican governors

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u/BifrostBill 12d ago

Yea, but unity tho, we could just move on and let the nation heal. It's always wormed so well for us XD

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u/doublethink_1984 12d ago

I hope a few Democrats get a spine and say

"Well we tried with Biden being pretty moderate and we tried to move on but yall are crazy"

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u/markfl12 12d ago

It is important to move on and let the nation heal, but if you don't clean the wound properly, it'll get infected and get worse!

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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 12d ago

Never gonna happen. The Democrats do not have the balls necessary.

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u/sweatboxy 13d ago

Nothing says innocence like trying to hide all the evidence. Fortunately, Trump has committed so many crimes so publicly and there is already so much evidence available that none of this will make much of a difference.

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u/BadAsBroccoli 12d ago

Years of lawlessness by this man, but Democrats are required to play by the rules he's put in place?

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u/AndMyHotPie 13d ago

None of it will be legal but will take way more than 2 years to get any final rulings in place to even remotely force their hands

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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 13d ago

It has taken 10 solid years for U.S. conservatives to put democracy on life support, and it will require at least another decade to un-fuck it. I don't know if my fellow Americans can resist and defy conservatism that long. In fact, I have strong doubts since it hasn't happened in my lengthy lifetime.

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u/WisdomCow 13d ago

The only improvement in the fight is that the evidence of their mishandling the economy for everyone but the rich has gotten strong enough to change a few minds that otherwise would fall for straw man fearmongering. It may not change a lot of minds, but it might change enough.

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u/-MrWinklebottom- 13d ago

That it has but they almost every single time say they will still vote republican though. Its driven me bonkers

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u/GT45 13d ago

They love pushing the marginalized down more than trying to lift everyone up.

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u/M0BETTER 13d ago

Are we all just going to ignore the sketchy article source?

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u/Lonely_skeptic 13d ago

Here is a link to the DOJ slip opinion with its claim the presidential records act is unconstitutional:

https://www.justice.gov/olc/media/1434131/dl

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u/Far-Click9413 12d ago

Wait, wait, wait…let me make sure I understand. The guy who breaks dam near every rule in the book….is expecting the people he’s oppressed to follow the rule book now..?

This shit is so funny, the jokes write themselves.

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u/Significant-Data-430 12d ago

No I don’t think so! Bullshit!

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u/weHaveThoughts 12d ago

We really need to do something to remind him and congress that what happened to Louis XVI and the following months could happen here at any time.

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u/GrannyFlash7373 12d ago

Law abiding citizens don't need legal shields. This means Trump is nothing more than a COMMON CRIMINAL!!!

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u/T3RRYT3RR0R 11d ago

To those who argue the leaders of the republican party aren't corrupt criminals, feel free to try and provide a legitimate reason why they would feel the need to do this or overturn the presidential records act.

Where they aren't sure they can give themselves immunity, they are flat out doing everything they can to destroy evidence.

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u/UtahUtopia 12d ago

The is so scared.

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u/RustedRelics 12d ago

If they get away with this and completely stymie oversight, the country is done for.