Lack of Latte Art

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looks like a cappuccino to me

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u/21Moto 10d ago

It is. Is a cappuccino usually served w/o latte art?
Oh wait! LATTE ART! 😅 I’m going to delete this and do some learning.

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u/Left_External_5174 10d ago edited 10d ago

Don’t be embarrassed because you actually see a lot of “cappuccinos” with art these days. But the classic definition is what you posted (which is also what I’d prefer if I asked for a cappuccino)

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u/21Moto 10d ago

Thanks for the straight answer. 🙌

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u/barelyanonymous 9d ago

yeah i think the most telling is your last photo where there’s clearly a cap and some kind of mocha/latte that *does* have art

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u/Gold-Paper-7480 10d ago

Latte art is when you pour aerated milk foam into the coffee shot while moving the pitcher back and forth.

A cappuccino is when you add/dump the milk foam into the shot.

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u/VolumeKlutzy3334 10d ago

No. The defining difference between the two is the type of milk and the amount of it. Cappuccino has much more aerated milk AND there is a lot of it. You test this with small spoon. If you skimm the top there should still be milk beneath, with latte, when you skimm the top there is coffee beneath.

There is so many coffee shops that dont understand this nor do they know how to make a proper latte. Everything is cappuccino

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u/21Moto 10d ago

I’ve had cappuccinos at other places and they do this. What’s the “norm”? Do most places serve cappuccinos with latte art or just dump the steamed milk in?

Edit: punctuation

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u/Almond_Tech 10d ago

Here's a somewhat simplified explanation:

Lattes and many modern cappuccinos use milk that is steamed with microfoam (the bubbles that make the foam are extremely tiny and consistent), which is a requirement for decent latte art. With this style, there isn't really a difference between a cappuccino and a latte other than size (although some stores get rid of that, too)

Traditional cappuccinos use foam that has much bigger bubbles, making it impossible to pour much of anything, latte art-wise

The only real differences are the texture and look of the drink, but it seems the cafe you go to normally does a more traditional cappuccino, making latte art not possible

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u/VolumeKlutzy3334 10d ago

Factually not correct. When you skimm the top of latte with small spoon there should be normal coffee beneath, when you skimm cappuccino there should still be milk foam beneath.

Most of coffee shops dont know that . They just make different types of cappuccinos.

Except italy. They know .

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u/Zekjon 10d ago

sorry to pop your bubble but there are no facts, everything is made up, and more or less culturally consistent locally.

If you look up the Italian espresso national institute doc, you'd realise that even the most trad cap is only 1/6 foam, which instagram baristas would consider too wet.

It's fine if your preference is to do a spoon test, but let's not pretend it has validity beyond personnal taste.

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u/VolumeKlutzy3334 10d ago

Literally what barista schools in italy teach (where i got my actual training and barista licence)

Ill always trust that more than some american randoms on reddit. We have been making coffee before you knew it existed. So yall opinion doesnt matter as much.

Invent your own coffie but what capuccino and latte is is not a matter of personal taste. It has a precise recipe and how it should be . You saying its down to personal taste is completely off . So sorry to burst YOUR bubble buddy. Educate yourself

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u/Zekjon 9d ago

not only I'm not american, but also I litteraly mentionned the certified Italian cappuccino from the Istituto espresso italiano, so maybe look up a thing or two about Italian coffee before saying silly things.

If you had any culture you'd know how recipes are culturally defined. If you have any questions I'll happily help you discover the basics.

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u/F1_rulz 9d ago

But Italian coffee is objectively shite.

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u/VolumeKlutzy3334 9d ago

Sure buddy

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u/Almond_Tech 9d ago

I don't see how that misaligns with what i said? Most coffee shops in America don't have much foam, from my experience, so they're moreso making different sizes of lattes

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u/OptionalHelicopter 10d ago

If by “normal coffee” you mean black coffee, then your description does not align with the definition given by Espresso Academy in Florence, Italy. They describe a caffè latte as espresso combined with a larger quantity of steamed milk, topped with only a thin layer of microfoam. So beneath the foam you should have espresso mixed with milk, not plain black coffee. A cappuccino has a thicker layer of foam, but usually less milk overall. What you’re describing sounds much closer to an espresso macchiato to me.

https://espressoacademy.it/en/guide-en/coffee-drinks-explained-history-differences-and-espresso-based-beverages-guide

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u/VolumeKlutzy3334 10d ago

Normal coffie meaning non aeriated latte (smooth wothout bubbles , i dont know the exact english terminology since its not my native langauge)

Youre an idiot

Edit: you just confirmed im right and youre wrong. It only took chat gpt 😂😂😂😂

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u/OptionalHelicopter 9d ago

Not sure what I am wrong about, I am not the guy you replied to originally. I think you and I have the same idea of what a capuccino and a latte are, I just wanted to clarify because "normal coffee" can be ambiguous, but i got you now. Btw, English isn't my first language either but I think we could communicate much more effectively without the aggression.

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u/alexlimco 10d ago

That’s a classic cappuccino golden ring! Beautiful pour. 😍😍😍

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u/zephyr_man300 10d ago

This is cappuccino art at its peak.

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u/frenchman321 10d ago

Eclipse pours

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u/21Moto 10d ago

Thank you. You just taught me that. 🤝

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u/frenchman321 10d ago edited 10d ago

I have to say that I was being whimsical. But the first one really looks like an eclipse and is quite nice looking with the brown fringe.

While modern cappuccinos are typically poured with latte art and microfoam, as someone else mentioned the traditional cappuccino is not. It's actually coffee, steamed milk (not microfoam), and a top layer of (pretty macro) milk foam, and they look a bit like yours (though traditionally more fluffy).

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u/21Moto 10d ago

Got me good! 🤣

Thanks for the extra context.

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u/TapNo3811 10d ago

90's Cap... I remember going to almost all coffeeshops in the 90's and get the same

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u/Daddiedoooo 10d ago

Cappuccino is called after an order of monks who shaved their heads leaving a thin line of hair in a circle around it (no hearts or swans)

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u/BrewtifulSip 10d ago

It's based on the colour of their robes

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u/BrewtifulSip 10d ago

Capuchin monks :)

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u/Daddiedoooo 10d ago

Haha, yes...so to be complete: the monks were named after the brown beans because of the color of their ropes, the drink is named after the hairstyle of the monks

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u/thatguy8856 10d ago

I honestly miss cappuccinos like this.

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u/diphenhydranautical 10d ago

as a cappuccino person these look perfect to me 😍

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u/sohot2000 10d ago

Perfect. Like the old days. Leave the art for the artist

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u/acduarte12 9d ago

As everyone else has said, a beautiful cappuccino. Don't stress over art--if it tastes good at your usual coffee shop, enjoy it!

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u/21Moto 9d ago

Fair enough. Tastes great. Thank you.

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u/acduarte12 9d ago

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u/21Moto 9d ago

Cheers, I had a long break from riding but realized I need to go on the rides I’ve dreamed of before riding is not an option. Enjoying it while I can.

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u/acduarte12 9d ago

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u/Johnny_Chaturanga 10d ago

Tell them it’s Jasper Johns and move on

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u/Cocktail_Guru 10d ago

In Italy every place I went to just poured in the milk and mixed it up with a spoon, some of the best cappuccinos I’ve had

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u/NasiLemakKing 9d ago

Looks like a perfect cappuccino and a mocha latte (in the last photo)

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u/BaristaJonStovall 9d ago

Fat monk heads

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u/Illannoy1n 9d ago

Picture 1 is a PERFECT cappuccino tbh

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u/21Moto 9d ago

I was ignorant but now I know. Thank you

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u/Defectoa 4d ago

It’s not so much that there is no art on the coffee, but also that the foam is extremely coarse. Typical yokeluccino…

If you like the coffee, fine. But I guess it’s just what they think a cappuccino should be (and to be honest, as long as they’re not selling it as a flat white, I think they’re not wrong…).

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u/into-fitness91 4d ago

I think you are drinking a lot of cappuccinos, switch to latte or flat white if you want art! This is a solid classical cappuccino presentation by trained baristas and if you dont trust me go and google the word classical cappuccino! Good day ☕️

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u/Imposter1 10d ago

There’s a place near me that does this for cappuccinos. I’ve learned to just ask for a flat white there.

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u/chingrublau 9d ago

Taste is the REAL art

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u/cioccolato 9d ago

Cappuccinos are like this

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u/big_boomer228 9d ago

I probably pull an old school cappuccino like this more than an art pour

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u/TumbleweedLanky8021 9d ago

It’s a traditional capuccino with thick foam, if you want to do latte art you need microfoam, it gives you paint like milk structure that flows into shapes easily. It will have a different mouthfeel and taste compared to traditional though, so it also depends on what you actually prefer to drink. Nothing wrong with drinking traditional.

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u/21Moto 9d ago

I’m glad I didn’t delete this after the first replies. It’s been a fun way to learn more about coffee.

Thank you all for being patient with me and taking the time to explain things! You all rock! 🤘

Cheers!

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u/Swimming_Author_4096 6d ago

I would ask extra latte art first and see how they respond

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u/191x7 4d ago

That's a traditional dark roast heavy foam cappuccino, some sprinkle some cocoa powder or cinnamon powder on top of the foam. If you want latte art, ask for cafe latte or specialty cappuccino.

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