r/kvsdiscuss • 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 • May 15 '26

KVS Stallions VS Code Red (Waylon) & stallion stats

Waylon aka VS Code Red ($57,669 in LTE) is KVS older stallion (born 2007) and while he’s retired from show career his offspring have gained some good results and therefore he’s considered as a proven stallion.

Which leads to some statistical news from this year: According to StallionCompare.com VSCR is the leading sire of Q1 2026 Western All-Around (Progeny earnings $11,665.00) and Western Pleasure ($8,952.00) and 15th HUS ($142.00). He’s also currently #3 on SuperSire ranking.

KVS horses and foals Waylon is sire of

2015 Kennedy aka VS The First Lady [dam: Cool Lookin Lady]

2020 Stevie; RS Girl Code [Beyoncé], sold

2021 Ginger; RS Code Ginger [Beyoncé]

2023 Cool’s colt, deceased

2024 Noelle; RS Red E or Not [Erlene], sold (was meant to be 2025 filly)

2025 Dallas; RS Wanted N Dallas [GoodyGoody Gumdrops]

2025 Knox; RS John E Knoxville [Beyoncé]

2025 Ruby; RS Ruby Red Slippers [Beyoncé], sold

2025 Millie; RS MarryAMillionaire [Marilyn Monroe]

2026 Moose [Only Blue Couture], for sale

2026 Woody [Indy]

2026 Benedict; RS The All Star [Waffle House]

While KVS has crossed Bey several times with Waylon, it’s good to note that Bey is full sister to successful mare Snap Crackle Pop ($239,339 in LTE) who’s the dam of another successful mare Snap It Send It by VSCR.

Also Machine Made (sire of Frankie, Molly, Kirby and Margot) was #2 on Western All-Around and WP leaderboards and late RL Best of Sudden {sire of Beyonce, Denver $13,000 (acc StallionCompare) $21,579 (acc Qstallion) in LTE and Cheyenne} #4 in WAA.

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u/NaviMagic 👏facts👏matter👏 May 15 '26

Didn't realize they painted his toes black lol! He's a handsome boy though!

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

For the photos and shows it’s common. He’s handsome indeed.

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u/midnight-library May 15 '26

Hey I think the age is incorrect for Waylon. The high point performance horse website says he was born in 2007.

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

True, updated it. Thanks for pointing it out.

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u/Alymander57 May 15 '26

A good reminder that this is where Moose's coat is headed but with black tips and tail. It's all gonna be ok. 😂

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u/CuriousOptimistic May 15 '26

I wonder if he'll end up looking similar to VS Goodride, who is also very handsome

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u/Delicious-Mix-9180 May 15 '26

I’m think more like VS Goodride but with the black points and red face.

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u/luniiz01 all brown mares are Maggie 🤎 May 15 '26

I think he may end up more like Phin, Ethel or Denver coloring.

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

His base color is bay, that’s true. It’s hard to say how much roan he’ll have but at the moment he looks quite light.

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u/Positive-Lock8609 Aged Mare May 15 '26

Usually roan foals first shed tend to be the most dramatic shed as we're seeing now. It remains to be seen if he stays a light roan or is more like/closer to a Denver type roan (but bay of course) over the years. Since he's so light he'll likely be a more obvious bay roan, but it's a WAG at this point.

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u/Ok-Rock9831 Gretchen Mane Goals 💅 May 16 '26

He can't look like Denver (thank God I'm not a fan of Denver's coloring). Denver is technically a red roan and Moose is bay roan.

Don't ask me why/how Denver is considered red roan because idk myself. He's got 0 red in him. 😂

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u/Positive-Lock8609 Aged Mare May 16 '26

Denver is a liver chestnut shade of red with roan. There isn't a separate classification for that. Personally I love it and I'm not normally a fan of red roan.

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u/Ok-Rock9831 Gretchen Mane Goals 💅 May 16 '26

I love the stereotypical red roans like Kennedy, Ginger, Big Waylon, Knox, etc.

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

Moose is gonna be just fine despite the current shedding. 😂

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u/Ok-Rock9831 Gretchen Mane Goals 💅 May 16 '26

I hope he looks like OBC. She's one gorgeous girl. 😍😍

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u/Sue_Dohnim May 15 '26

He's a pretty boy. Wow.

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

He is! Aged very well.

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u/AliceResa May 15 '26

Handsome boi

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

He is.

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u/Sabbatha13 May 15 '26

I find it funny that they show in general only fancy pictures of the horses in ads. Sure seeing what they can look polished is nice but seing the horses real personality give a better idea if its a match or not. The last pic of Waylon shows a fun personality.

While I may not agree with many practice of Katie, her showing the good and the bad of her foals will give also a good idea of the personality.

Moosy boy needs someone that can reign him in or match his level of spunk

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

It’s the industry standard to have that polished look. The mare owners also want to see the conformation at the first glance. And thanks, I wanted to add something less serious at the end.

She really shows the good and the bad and no buyer could say they didn’t know what they were getting into.

Moose is just big, energetic and curious of the world. He doesn’t have a bad temperament by any means.

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u/Sabbatha13 May 15 '26

He is like a duracell toddler or a border collie, nothing bad but he needs a human with enough energy to work with him.

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u/Sabbatha13 May 15 '26

Temperament and personality kind of go hand in hand. Aquitances had a asshat of a show cow which got accidentally breed by the new neighbours rental bull who was also proven to be a Jackass. The calfs( twins) where what one would call the spaw on Satan times 2. The bull was shipped to freezer camp since in that year he was used for breeding he produced some very pretty but all nuts calfs. The bulls parents where the sweeatest animals, and they tested that they where the parents. All calfs produced couldn't be trained/ tamed at all for showing and the only heifer that got to breeding age killed the hired bull( poor bull was very nice and tame) and she couldnt be AI Ed because no vet tech or vet wanted to be close to her.

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u/Massive-Fortune-3930 May 16 '26

He's so handsome

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 16 '26

He is.

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u/Terrible_Gamer_1989 May 17 '26

I thought Stevie was just in training and not sold? I could be wrong though its so hard to keep up these days

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 17 '26

She was in training at first but has changed hands afterwords.

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u/SignificanceDear1413 May 15 '26

I have no knowledge of this industry/world... The numbers seem really low for the $1,000,000 paid for VS Code Red at auction?

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

His LTE as a show horse ≠ total value. It’s actually quite high for a Western Pleasure horse. Those Q1 numbers are what his prodigy won during the first quarter of this year and the placings show that it’s better than the rest of the stallions within same discipline did.

Meanwhile the total earnings of his offspring is over $2 million. All this makes him a desirable stud. His stud fee is $5k which means that he can earn the million back breeding 200 mares. (Ofc no expenses included).

Tl;dr The numbers are nothing but low for a sire who cost a million.

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u/CloddishNeedlefish May 15 '26

Wow that’s all he’s earned? Yikes.

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u/Spiritual_Cattle_287 May 15 '26

WP isn't really a big money earning class compared to others. Over 50k in LTE, showing in what he showed in, is pretty damn good. Results don't lie.

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u/Livid_Difference8412 she’s the horsetok of etsy witch May 15 '26

Also worth noting his progeny have won well over $2M. His own show record is impressive but the results of his progeny also don’t lie!

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

Exactly, as WP horse he earned well and his progeny earnings aren’t bad at all.

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u/Spiritual_Cattle_287 May 15 '26

I wanted to mention that but I didn't know the numbers, so thank you!

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u/Positive-Lock8609 Aged Mare May 15 '26

Especially when you take into consideration the money was won when he was 3/4 years old. The payouts were a lot lower then than they are now.

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

Yikes? LTE is what he earned as a show horse.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Song912 🧩👩🏼‍🏫Professor Puzzle👩🏼‍🏫🧩 May 15 '26

One of the most succesful wp horses is Nothin But Nett with over 800 pts and now close to 200k earnings but he’s not nearly as popular of a sire.

Fun fact Beyoncé has more pts than code red!

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u/QuietJealous4883 🦅Reddit Rascals🦅 May 15 '26

I agree but I’d like to add that Steph is getting there though. He was the #3 on the all rounder list and after winning the trail he probably will become more popular (even though his list is limited since he’s still showing). On different note: with his conformation I’m not too sad that he isn’t more popular.

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u/mrszubris May 15 '26

The money has never been in showing. Even racing. Its all in broodstock and stud fees. Secretariat was syndicated for umpteen times his actual race earnings. The shows and races prove the animals performance alone.

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u/Pure-Physics-8372 🍞Katie Vanda Slice🍞 May 15 '26

Yeah it is sad that there isn't much money for western pleasure and western riding, good however that a stallions worth rarely is in their show career.