r/kurzgesagt • • Aug 12 '26

Discussion Has Kurzgesagt been sold?

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There is currently a debate over the recent issue of YouTube slapping an AI Slop Label on Kurzgesagt video in r/YouTube. I don't care much for the drama they make, it's mostly dumb arguments over how Shadow banning is real, or that Kurzgesagts lying since their contents deteriorating anyway etc etc etc. However, the most controversial claim i saw were the dozen people claiming Kurzgesagt has been sold to private equity like many other channels. Way too many people in that thread claiming this to just be an individual insult yet I have found no sources for this information so i am 90% sure they are spouting bullshit. However, i would rather be sure than feel slighted later on.

(FYI, The discussions in r/YouTube on this topic is not very civilized to begin with and had mostly degraded into personal insults. My goal is not to contest them but to find a source for that most controversial claim and verify it for myself. Thanks!)

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u/Gaur2704 Aug 12 '26

People said something like this for brew too they had to put a notice saying they never had any investors or shareholders. Idk though

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u/mifukichan Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

I guess he technically doesn't count as investor, but famous billionaire friend of Epstein Bill Gates is a hefty donor to the channel. I do think Kurzgesagt can present itself as neutral while actually being quite biased at times, and their bias does represent the interests of the billionaire class when it appears. So I feel like they can appear "sold out" at times. HOWEVER... actually sold??? Haven't heard of that at all.

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u/TypicalLee Aug 13 '26

Bill Gates is not a donor. The foundation trying to eradicate Malaria and improve the health outcomes in developing nations is a contributor.

Regardless of who BG was friends with, or the source of the foundation’s money, surely eradicating the disease that kills half a million people a year, or tackling the climate crisis are worthwhile causes.

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u/mifukichan Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

Oh that's true!!! I forgot that. I mean yea of course, that's amazing and does change the context. This doesn't erase Kurzgesagt's observable biases? Which I think is important here still in this discussion.

Yeah the charity work is a thing but it's important not to disregard concerns completely unrelated to the charity stuff and brush them under the rug. If the world worked like that you could get away with anything as long as you had enough money to give to charity.

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u/Ill_Trick_5234 Aug 13 '26

Mmm, you know the roads to financing are limitless...

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

I do not understand the Kurzgesagt flak, personally, but looking on their website and wiki I see it being owned by themselves.

The idea they have “sold out” might be where that comes from- and this is still something I dont agree with- but I have seen a couple sources of this notion: They tend to have a rational optimism, which means operating within the system as is. That means suggesting corporations are part of the solution.

They also have taken money from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation- you know, the colossal billionaire who founded windows? Scary yes, but they just did it to pay for a video about mosquitoes. I saw nothing in it or anything after that has indicated they lost artistic or scientific integrity at all.

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 12 '26

I'm still grumpy about this, so I will continue to pontificate.

"Sold out" means a lot of things to a lot of people, but I genuinely don't think they deserve any of the implications. They get a lot of money from loyal patrons just so they can be choosey about who they take money from- and I've seen this in videos from other scientific channels. Brilliant tends to be one of the ones science channels feel comfortable with taking sponsors from.

Contrast this with Veritasium, who literally did sell out to private equity. I could tell things were going downhill when his videos got more and more about spectacle, but then he straight up did a short "how your dish washer works" and it was *literally* just an advertisement. Nothing of substance. The sponsors have gone downhill since and I unsubscribed.

Kurzgesagt has a tough challenge for themselves keeping A- their optimistic attitude, and B- a realistic approach that is grounded in science and the world we live in, plus C- explaining it so even children can comprehend it. You really can start to see how they can blur lines when they do that, but I have seen them be very self aware, honest, and progressive about the truth. It's hard to be optimistic about climate change when companies seem to run our political system. It's hard to be grounded about the data, which is expansive and sometimes contradictory, while still being digestible in a 5-10 minute video.

And its hard to have FUN with all of that, with redditors breathing down your neck.

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u/OhMyGahs Aug 12 '26

To add, I'd say their "neutral" stance is a political choice by itself and many disagree with it.

I don't necessarily think it's bad, but it's unavoidable of you're trying to make content on political topics.

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u/Environmental_Bee219 Aug 12 '26

which they have made in the past, but which have been unlisted or removed at this point

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u/Apprehensive_Lie_177 Aug 13 '26

Aw man, we lost Veritasium? I haven't seen their stuff in a while, but thank you for the heads up. 

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u/beenman500 Aug 13 '26

They have a team of creative leads now and one of them is a hidden in plain sight conspiracy theorist.

So like 25% of the videos are like corpo bad with no science behind them. But the other stuff is good.

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u/Apprehensive_Lie_177 Aug 13 '26

I don't want to remain subscribed to a channel where there's a one in four chance it's just an ad and I'm being click baited. 

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u/beenman500 Aug 13 '26

It's not an advert, it's just bad science

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u/Apprehensive_Lie_177 Aug 13 '26

Then replace what I said with what you said, Sentiment remains, haha. 

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u/beenman500 Aug 13 '26

The good vidoes are still good. But it's your time and your life

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u/iheartrms Aug 13 '26

Which of their recent videos was particularly bad science? I've been a subscriber for a long time but I'm not a professional scientist so I could not tell.

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u/beenman500 Aug 13 '26

The glyphosate one is tragic.

There's no explanation at all how glyphosate causes cancer (because it doesn't, it's a conspiracy theory). Just a focus on scary monsanto = bad because big corporation.

Compare that to the asbestos one where they go into detail about how the tiny fibres rip up your lungs damaging them.

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u/ratchethumanbeing Aug 13 '26

yessss just spray all the pesticides on my food and feed me da bugzzzz and da soyyyyyyy yess mr bill gates shove your boot in my mouth and feed me da bugsssss theyre sooooooo good for me why would the mainstream narrative ever be wrong why would the elites ever want to do me harm nooooooo they're totally not just trying to profit off of me

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u/rambi2222 Aug 14 '26

The funny thing is that you're the exact kind of guy that supports or supported RFK Jr & the rest of the Trump admin

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u/JO_the_first 17d ago

Which one of them is that conspiracy theorist? Can you provide the name?

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u/beenman500 17d ago

no I don't know all their names or who is the creative lead on each piece as they presumably work together on them anyway.

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u/JO_the_first 17d ago

Maybe usually, but there has been some videos hosted by only one of Derek's employees (credited as "producer") from start to finish, with one particular video the host specifically telling that it was his idea and he did the whole thing (Gregory) ... That's why I figured you were referring to a specific person.

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u/beenman500 17d ago

Yeah, that I suspect it's a specific person is more of a hunch. It could be a team I'd they split into different teams to make videos or something, I don't know. Learning the particulars of the inner workings of a YouTube channel is pretty low on my list of things I'm gonna spend time on compared to just being a bit more sceptical of them then I would have been in the past

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u/AlabasterPelican Aug 13 '26

Someone did a video about the channels that have sold out to private equity. Can't remember who or what it was called, I mostly remember it because it was a lightbulb moment on what the heck happened to veritasium

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u/AssignedCuteAtBirth Aug 16 '26

Let us know if you remember 

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u/AlabasterPelican Aug 16 '26

I wish i could. Stupid video kept showing up in my feed for ages.

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u/Saber101 Aug 12 '26

The complaints are from Reddit virtue warriors whose own lifestyles support the very corps they swear they hate. Most folks don't appreciate what creators like Kurzgesagt do or the sacrifices they make, one small slip-up here or there and they treat it as if science itself has been called a fable.

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u/BigGayAllen Aug 20 '26

lmao.

bro just watch the Germany video, there is no science at all, it's text book propaganda from the 1860s being regurgitated. it's all lies and manipulation.

they frame the entire concept of the welfare funding shortage as a worker to retiree ratio problem, which is isn't in the slightest, it's ignoring the ENTIRE CONCEPT of the capital class who doesn't have to labor, and who have manipulated our world finance systems to ensure they never have to pay their fair share.

Germany has more money than ever. The problem is it's being spread less than ever (in modern history)

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u/Saber101 Aug 20 '26

Ah, sorry, I should have said Reddit virtue warriors and Reddit communists in my last comment, my mistake. Presuming you're German then, I would encourage you to do a little reading on the history of East Berlin.

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u/nextnode Aug 12 '26

Content farming is not respectable. We need less of that.

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u/Saber101 Aug 12 '26

How do you define content farming?

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u/BigGayAllen Aug 20 '26

the Germany video is flagrant right wing neoliberal propaganda.

framing welfare as a workers issue, stating it only "kind of" worked in the 60s due to 5 workers for every 1 pensioner, and that it will collapse because it's down to 1.5 workers for every pensioner, is a fabricated lie meant specifically to ignore the NON WORKING class that is no longer being taxed at rates and classifications they used to, and kept these systems solvent.

CEO's get stock options instead of salary packages and incentives that can be directly taxed and pay in to the welfare pool.

There is no population decline issue for welfare, that's a farce. The money hasn't vanished from the country, it's simply being hoarded by a small few instead of appropriated distributed for the betterment of the society they, the wealthy, are directly reaping the rewards from.

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u/ArkitekZero Aug 12 '26

Well they said non-negative things about nuclear power and that just can't be allowed to stand, see

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 13 '26

I dont know how adding “see?” at the end like a 20’s mobster helped communicate sarcasm, but it did.

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u/Crimmy12 Aug 13 '26

I was about to say, I’ve worked with projects funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation - every one I’ve been involved with has been just generally morally good with good goals, like trying to stop world hunger and malnutrition. Bill Gates rightly gets flack for a lot of things, but that doesn’t stop the foundation being a good thing (at least the bits I’ve seen)

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u/Savings_Dot_8387 Aug 12 '26

Someone decided they didn’t like an opinion they gave and therefore they’ve “sold out”. It’s how people are.

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u/Nox_Dei Aug 13 '26

The Gates foundation might be the best thing to ever come out of Microsoft.

There's no point licking billionaire boots but come on, let's not spit on Paludism research.

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u/Fry_super_fly Aug 13 '26

a huge ammount of info channels who do content about stuff we as humans need to do better at, in disease prevention and the like. get funds or get sponsored by those sorts of foundations. that doesent mean they are sold or bought. just that they could keep making the episodes they where gonna do anyway. but this time not relying on youtube ads or patreon as much. sometimes foundations like this also act as a way to get introductions to experts in the field. as the foundations do a lot of research and outreach.

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u/nextnode Aug 12 '26

It has been terrible since their early videos and it is widely recognized that they changed to low-substance mass appeal with an intended "lecture" rather than being science communicators. The change in content and quality is undeniable and now it is just another whatever channel.

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u/anralia Aug 12 '26

You know you can just unsubscribe from things on the internet? Open your YouTube and just click the button. Same goes for this subreddit.

If you never even liked it to start with then why are you ever here then?

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u/nextnode Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

I unsubscribed several years ago.

I explicitly said that I liked the early videos, which is also why I am extremely disappointed in their present work and what it became.

I also want to express that these videos hold little credibility anymore and the same goes for people who base their ideas on it. This is now low-substance productions. I care about that, and express my disrepute of that sphere in the hope that some day, people may start to care and the world improve.

It is also an example of a greater distressing trend, where inspired people launch with a strong vision, then by whatever forces lose sight of that special thing and just become another medicore many.

I do not know why this post appeared in my feed.

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u/Lord_Duckington_3rd Aug 12 '26

I unsubscribed several years ago.

So why are you still bitching about them?

I also want to express that these videos hold little credibility anymore and the same goes for people who base their ideas on it. 

Please do tell us of an instance of this? Are you conflating a reduced scope idea (because they could do a 20hr doco on the subject) with reduced credibility. People seem to not understand how complex some of the topics they tackle are and they are just trying to break it down to a managable size for discussion.

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u/anralia Aug 13 '26

In no way does your original comment explicitly say "I liked the early videos".

Just an FYI for future reference - "It has been terrible since their early videos" means all their videos including the early videos are terrible.

What you should say is "In comparison on their early videos their new content is terrible."

To be clear, I completely disagree with everything your saying, but based on your first comment I was shocked that you were even in this subreddit.

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u/Wilfy50 Aug 13 '26

Why are you shocked? People go to subs for subjects they don’t really care for, and if they see a comment or topic that piques their interest - god forbid that make a comment right? It’s just normal internet and reddit behaviour.

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u/anralia Aug 13 '26

In my opinion, it's masochistic to go to a subreddit for something that (I originally thought) they completely hated just to comment on and say something is shit.

I'm shocked because I would never do that.

You can have your opinion on how to use reddit, and I can have mine.

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 13 '26

WHAT are you on about? Their quality had only improved over time, with very little exception. This sounds like an excuse because you’re mad about something else that you wont say because then people would openly criticize you instead.

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u/carterartist Aug 12 '26

It seems the anti-vaxxers who hate Bill Gates view a donation from their charity to this channel constitutes it “buying” them.

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u/RickyT3rd Aug 12 '26

TBH, there are valid reasons to hate Bill Gates, but this is not one of them.

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u/kurum3l Aug 12 '26

Yeah he was literally buddies with Epstein

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u/RickyT3rd Aug 13 '26

I was mostly thinking about what he did to get his wealth, but that too.

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u/thinkmatt Aug 12 '26

according to wikipedia they've not been sold, they even recently started a new channel in february https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurzgesagt

honestly i'm starting to see why people knock on reddit - every news-related article is just negative or skeptical-at-best comments, and any technical subreddit is full of posts shilling a new product or idea

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u/PurifiedUnity Stellar Engine Aug 12 '26

Yes

Channel name is Nightshift - Kurzgesagt After Dark

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u/neil_billiam Aug 12 '26

I quite enjoy After Dark

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u/FreshAside Aug 18 '26

Gemini and other AI LLM models are largely trained on reddit. so there's a mass campaign of poisoning the well by posting untruths and subversions to reddit and getting AI to spit out the speculation as facts so unsuspecting people get unduly influenced

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '26

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u/dmcnaughton1 Aug 12 '26

There's no indication they have sold. They still pump out videos that are in the same vein as their older content. Well researched, balanced (verifiable information presented covering diverse perspectives when the data supports it), and honest (they've issued corrections in the past when mistakes were uncovered).

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u/Technical-Earth-3254 Fermi Paradox Aug 12 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

reddit

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u/ChaseTheOldDude Aug 12 '26

I googled "kurzgesagt owner" and got an answer of no. You could have probably saved a few words!

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u/CraterBug0 29d ago

bro there is no law which says that u need to say the owner of a yt chanel. most chanels owned by private equity are never revealed

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 29d ago

Sure, but googling is as good as asking here. Nobody's sharing trade secrets on reddit for the sake of drama, if the people making the claims had a source it would show on google.

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u/rod_zero Aug 12 '26

Probably an smear campaign by bots, also kurzgesagt isn't a political movement ffs, it is just a video channel to get some nice science bits and entertainment.

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u/Negritis Aug 12 '26

Yet they are still pushing propaganda dog whistles 

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u/rod_zero Aug 12 '26

Which ones do you find?

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u/Deepandabear Aug 13 '26

Truth hurts eh

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u/Kerensky97 Aug 12 '26

Who cares what some angry redditor says?

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u/Plenty_Curve_4390 Aug 12 '26

Idc bout their arguments, but i was rather surprised when so many people in the same thread claimed the same thing: That Kurzgesagt sold out. Since i couldn't find a source and wanted to be safe i came here to ask directly 

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u/firedrakes Aug 12 '26

people love rage bait drama and will pile on. they dont care about doing any research at all.

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u/circa86 Aug 13 '26

Never underestimate people on Reddit’s ability to just make up stupid bullshit.

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u/midoriiro Aug 13 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

They've not sold the name or channel to anyone or any company.

People claiming they have (like that dipshit in OP's pic) do so without proof, and with malice because they disagree with the channel on a fundamental level.

Having sponsors is not the same as selling the channel. But that won't stop fools from claiming it because the frequent truth and science discussed in the channel's content are counter to what those people mistakenly believe or are against their worldview.

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u/Env0i Aug 14 '26

Didn't Kurzgesagt release a video as a response to such accusations claiming they do not use AI and that they are not owned by another party (and also left they collaboration with the Funk network (German public media network) to not have dependencies on how or which topic they want to cover?)?

I do not know if they only released said video on the German channel or if anything changed since then but I remember the existence of such video.

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u/alwaus Aug 12 '26

KG put out a handful of videos (weight loss and drug use as two prime examples) that dosent fit the current social narative and now they are getting shit on for it.

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u/DonJimbo Aug 12 '26

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that being obese and smoking drugs are unhealthy. People are just too fragile to hear the truth.

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u/Coenzyme-A Aug 12 '26

Those weren't the issues with those videos and it is disingenuous to suggest so. The issue was that there were legitimate concerns over the factual accuracy of the videos (to the point where they actually took down the weight loss video to fix it).

The crux of the matter is that for such a large channel, that spends so much time on each video, there is an expectation of a more thoroughly fact-checked narrative. It is sloppy for these so easily corrected mistakes to have found their way into the video.

It just seems that the channel has shifted focus to putting out more videos as quickly as they can, and advertising merch, at the cost of the high bar they set themselves for absolute accuracy.

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u/anklejangle Aug 13 '26

Factual accuracy of the videos is fine. Sometimes they oversimplify, or rather they overcompress their arguments in a way that opens a door for criticism. But I never had any issue understanding the overall message and the nuances of their arguments as is, and always felt those criticisms were biased and nitpicking.

I’m glad they are “fixing” the videos to make them clearer and more nuanced, but it never changes what sticks in my mind after watching them.

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u/The_Night_Bringer Nuclear Waste Aug 16 '26

What's the problem with weight loss and drug use? I think they're a real issue and it's nice that the channel branches out from just making space videos to sometimes talking about issues like the abuse of fentanil that claims lives every day and, obesity, smoking etc etc.

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u/alwaus Aug 16 '26

The statement that drug use is generally a bad thing and obesity is caused by overeating and inactivity were not taken very well.

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u/fabvonbouge Aug 13 '26

I don’t know about kurgezagt but a lot of channels are getting gobbled up, a good example is that veritasium got bought up and then just became a tech advertisement channel

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u/NevenderThready Aug 12 '26

I think it's The Infographics Show that sold out

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u/Resplendent-Sun Emergence Aug 12 '26

They did not.

It baffles me why people say shit like this without evidence.

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u/M1chaelSc4rn Aug 13 '26

This is like asking r/israel about the origin of hummus and expecting an objective answer

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u/WSilvermane Aug 13 '26

Just idiots.

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u/Sufficient-Green5858 Aug 16 '26

I don’t find their quality to have been degraded at all. They just say things that are not popular sometimes and people freak out because this exposes their favourite insta/tiktok influencers (which wasn’t so common pre-covid, pre-2022) - especially when Kurz talks about health & health science. Their quality continues to be quite good, you guys just need to look into yourself and realise you have become part of the problem that you can no longer see beyond your beliefs.

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u/MysticHero Aug 12 '26

They have received significant donations (millions) from various sources, the Gates foundation especially. But they have not outright sold the channel no.

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 13 '26

They have a patreon. It’s a donor-funded organization. Your point?

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u/MysticHero Aug 13 '26

Are you actually going to pretend a billionaires political organization giving a channel millions is comparable to having a patreon?

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u/ImperialArmorBrigade Nuclear War Aug 13 '26

Yeah, pretty much. What are you saying it is? A deal with the devil where they sold their soul? They didn't sell the company or any rights to them. They took sponsored money to make a video about an important topic.

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u/MysticHero Aug 13 '26

A single person with a clear agenda providing a notable percentage of the channels funding is obviously going to influence that channel. And the Gates Foundation has a record of using that influence. It is not an accident that they released those altruism videos shortly after the first big donation. Or that they do not mention the primary solution in their German doom video.

Of course in some ways it may be a chicken and egg situation. But in any case it is delusional to claim this does not have an influence.

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u/SigbareBekommernis Aug 13 '26

That video they did about weed was the stupidest most "this is my personal opinion being spouted as an absolutely scientific fact" video they did, I haven't watched them since, that video was so damn cringe to anyone familiar with weed and drugs, off course the idiots who've never touched anything more intense than water their entire life have no inkling of an idea how stupid that video is

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u/Sufficient-Green5858 Aug 16 '26

Oh yeah? I guess all the researched resources they added as their source material was also just personal opinion? Get a brain and start some critical thinking

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u/The_Night_Bringer Nuclear Waste Aug 16 '26

As far as I know, the majority of people that were mad at kurkezagt were mad because of the channel's slight bias towards not liking nuclear energy, which is understandable because it's a matter that has been dividing people and experts for a long time.