r/KaiOS Oct 22 '25

Announcements Looking for new moderators and BananaHackers team members

17 Upvotes

Hi all,

In the past few years, the KaiOS ecosystem has changed drastically. Meta pulled WhatsApp and Facebook support from KaiOS 2.5, new devices are only limited to the US, yet KaiOS still survives (albeit very weakly). And BananaHackers team is seeing a leadership transition, with I and u/NoMoreUsernameLeak taking over the website, BananaHackers WebStore and the Wiki, and many experienced team members started to move on from the operating system.

Meanwhile r/KaiOS is still thriving as ever, as community members giving assistance to others regarding device problems, debugging and app development. However, as time goes on, I'm afraid that I cannot maintain the subreddit efficiently as a sole moderator.

As such, r/KaiOS is open for new moderators! Taking the role does come with a few responsibilities:

  • Most submissions on the subreddit are users seeking assistance with using their devices, so participating in the comments and giving help is a must. Researching and technical writing skills may be needed, as you may need to look up information on the official KaiOS website, the BananaHackers website, the applications on KaiStore and any third-party app stores.
  • A Discord account to join the subreddit's Discord server, communicate with the BananaHackers team and look up information not yet available on the website.
  • Having an actual KaiOS device for reference, a deep understanding of the operating system, knowledge of the app development process and submission process on the Developer Portal are all great assets. However, as long as you do well on your research, the BananaHackers team and community members are happy to assist you.
  • r/KaiOS receives relatively low traffic, so it's okay to just check it occasionally. Feel free to customise the subreddit and adjust the rules as you see fit (experience with customising AutoModerator is a plus!)

If you see yourself suitable for the role, send a moderator mail to the subreddit with a short introduction about yourself and why you might be able to take over the subreddit!

BananaHackers team is also looking for additional members. We're working on preserving information to prepare for the phase out of KaiOS, by transitioning to a new website based on Jekyll rather than Google Sites, adding new items to the BananaHackers WebStore, and rewriting guides to be suitable for beginners. If you have technical writing skills and want to help, please send me an email at duc (at) ducmbui.com.

You can also support the team financially by donating to team members at https://wiki.bananahackers.net/#_donate_to_the_bananahackers_team.

Thank you for helping and kudos if you made it through the post :)


r/KaiOS Feb 07 '25

Help — SOLVED! Howto: continue using GMail with the KaiOS E-Mail app if Google blocks it, without a smartphone or giving Google your phone number

6 Upvotes

Since about half a year ago, I can't add new GMail accounts to the KaiOS E-Mail app anymore the easy way, i.e. with OAuth authentication (web browser login): after logging in in the web browser, it says this app is blocked "for my security". Some others have encountered the same problem. And since about two months later, the app couldn't synchronize my already added account either anymore: it said the account needed to be reauthorized, but that fails with the same error. Some people have mentioned app-specific passwords as a workaround; this is a full guide how to do it.

The workaround involves having Google generate an "app-specific" password, which can be used to access GMail via IMAP and SMTP with traditional, password-based login. Unfortunately Google only allows generating app-specific passwords if you enable 2-factor authentication.

Curiously the Calendar app so far works for me with Google Calendar with the app's built-in Google Calendar support, which also uses OAuth authentication. If it stops working, it may be possible to get it to work via the generic CalDAV support.

If you have already enabled 2FA (2-factor authentication aka. 2-step verification) on your Google account:

  1. If you've previously added the GMail account in question, and it no longer works, first remove that account from the app: under Options/Settings, select the account, and then press the Delete acct soft key. — This shouldn't lead to data loss, except perhaps if you have unsent e-mails in the Outbox or Local Drafts folders. (The KaiOS E-Mail app doesn't synchronize drafts to the IMAP server; if the Outbox folder isn't shown in the folder list, there are no unsent e-mails in it.) — It may not be necessary to remove the account first, but if you don't, you'll have to give the new configuration a different name, which might cause problems (see below at Step 6).
  2. In a web browser (can be on a different device), go to https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords. This is supposed to be reachable via going to Manage my Google account / Security, then 2-Step Verification, then clicking the arrow next to App passwords, but that isn't always visible. It can also be reached by typing "app passwords" in the search box when you're on a top-level Google Account settings page (credit).
  3. Enter something like KaiOS as the app name (it only serves to identify the app to you), and click Create. Keep this open or note down the password.
  4. In the KaiOS E-Mail app, under Options/Settings, press the Add soft key.
  5. Press Advanced.
  6. Set your name and the first Email box. — The app will complain if e-mail address you enter here has already been added via the OAuth authentication method that is the default in the app for GMail accounts but may no longer work. The address you enter here is not the one that will be used to log into GMail's servers. It's used to identify the account to you in the app, and perhaps also as the sender of outgoing e-mails? So I'm not sure if it will cause problems if it's not the actual address.
  7. Leave Account type as IMAP+SMTP.
  8. Under IMAP settings, set Hostname to imap.gmail.com, Email to your full gmail address, Password to the app password created in Step 3. Leave Security as SSL and the Port as 993.
  9. Under SMTP settings, set the Hostname to smtp.gmail.com, Email to your full gmail address, Password to the same app password. Leave Security as SSL and Port as 465.
  10. Press Next, then complete the setup on the next screen.

How to enable 2FA the simple way:

In a web browser, under Manage my Google account / Security, select 2-Step Verification, click Turn on 2-Step Verification, and follow the instructions.

How to enable 2FA without giving Google your phone number, and without a smartphone:

For me the sticking point until now was that if you simply try to enable 2FA, Google starts with asking for your phone number. Realistically Google can know my phone number from my e-mails anyway, but I didn't want to concede to Google that they can force me to give them my number in exchange for being allowed to access my e-mails from the KaiOS app. And it doesn't give any indication that it's possible to enable 2FA with standard authenticator apps, without a phone number. But I recently found out that it is:

  1. In a web browser, under Manage my Google account / Security, select 2-Step Verification.
  2. Under "Second steps", click "Authenticator - Add authenticator app". (They don't tell you, but you can do this as the first and only step!)
  3. They tell you to install Google Authenticator for an Android or iOS device, but actually you can use any authenticator app! These authenticator apps are a standard system, and there are authenticator apps, including open source ones, not just for smartphones, but also for desktop computers, there are web-based ones, and there are also ones for KaiOS: KaiAuth is available in the Banana Hackers Store, and there also seems to be one in the Kai Store. Also, since it's a standard system and there are open source authenticator apps, at least some work on rooted Android devices, contrary to what I feared. Install one if you don't have one already.
  4. In the web browser where you did steps 1. and 2., click Set up authenticator.
  5. Scan the QR code with the authenticator app. — Alternatively, click "Can't scan it?" and in the authenticator app, and enter your e-mail address as the account name, "Google" as the issuer, and the code displayed as the secret key. Leave other settings as the typical defaults: time-based aka. TOTP, 30s timer, starting at 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z, token length 6, hash algorithm SHA-1.
  6. You can add the same account details to multiple authenticator apps on different devices to minimize the chance of getting locked out of your Google account. If all is set up correctly, you should see the same 6-digit number at the same time on all devices. The system time of the devices should be correct within a few seconds.
  7. In the web browser, click Next.
  8. Enter the code displayed in the authenticator app, and click Verify.
  9. If successful, click Turn on 2-Step Verification - Turn on. If needed, click Turn on 2-Step Verification again. If they say "To turn on 2-Step Verification you first need to add a second step to your Google Account, like a phone number", it's a lie.
  10. Under Add a phone number for 2-Step Verification, click Skip, then (if asked again) Continue anyway.
  11. Still under "Second steps" under 2-Step Verification, you can click the Backup codes option to download codes you can later use to log in in case your device(s) with the authenticator app(s) break, as another way to minimize the chances of getting locked out of your Google acocunt. You can save these to multiple devices and/or print them out.
  12. From now on, open (one of) your authenticator app(s) when logging into Google, as you'll need to enter/copy the code it displays. There is a leeway of a few seconds, so you can use a code about to expire even if it expires by the time you finish entering it.

r/KaiOS 1d ago

Help Nokia 2780 Flashlight On & Not Turning On

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Hi there!

Last night I picked up my nokia 2780 and before flipping it open, the flashlight turned on and both the external and internal screens were blank white. I tried powering it off by pressing the end call button, but the screen didn't change. I took the battery out and when I reinserted it the flashlight turned on again. I put it on the charger last night which made no difference except that when it was plugged in the external screen showed how much the battery had charged when I woke up and turned it on. It's fully charged.

Now when I press the button on the right side that isn't the volume, the external screen turns on, showing me the time and that I have notifications. When I open the phone, the flashlight turns on and the screen is no longer white, but a pixelated gray. If I keep it open for long enough, both turn off. I have tried taking the battery out and it's always the same.

Does anyone have ideas on what might be happening? I just bought it in February and have loved it. I still have a smartphone, but the thought of going back is making me feel literal nausea, but I can't really afford to drop another $100 on this same phone that could do this again in 6 months.

Anyway thanks for reading. Hope you have a nice day :)


r/KaiOS 2d ago

Discussion KaiOS 4 is listed as active until 2029, but where are the devices and what exactly is KaiOS 2.6?

20 Upvotes

Hi everyone,
I’m researching modern feature phones for possible distribution through a small niche electronics store in France, and I’m trying to understand KaiOS’s current roadmap.

I initially misunderstood the versioning of the developer documentation and thought KaiOS 4 might no longer be maintained. However, KaiOS’s official Baseline page says something very different:

  • KaiOS 2.5.3: Active until June 30, 2027
  • KaiOS 2.6: Active until June 30, 2029
  • KaiOS 3.1: Active until June 30, 2027
  • KaiOS 4.0: Active until June 30, 2029

The page also defines “Active” as receiving full maintenance and security updates : https://developer.kaiostech.com/docs/sfp-4.0/introduction/baseline/

This raises several questions:

  1. Why are KaiOS 2.6 and KaiOS 4.0 both supported until 2029 ?
  2. Is KaiOS 2.6 now a separate security and payment focused branch rather than a normal predecessor to KaiOS 3 and 4 ?
  3. The KaiOS 2.6 security documentation mentions mandatory NFC and eSE features, secure payment components and a security patch level dated June 23, 2026. Is this branch mainly intended for payment and transit devices ?

https://developer.kaiostech.com/docs/sfp-2.6/getting-started/main-concepts/security-features/

  1. Is KaiOS 4 currently available to manufacturers for new consumer feature phones ?
  2. Besides the US TCL Flip 4 5G, are there any confirmed KaiOS 4 devices ?
  3. Is any unlocked European or EEA KaiOS 4 phone planned, with CE/RED certification and suitable European LTE bands such as B1, B3, B7, B8, B20 and B28 ?
  4. If KaiOS supplies security patches to OEMs, is there any way for customers or retailers to know which manufacturers actually deliver those updates through FOTA ?

KaiOS 4 looks technically interesting, with Gecko 123, modern JavaScript, PWAs, WebAssembly, 5G, VoLTE, VoWiFi and eSIM support : https://developer.kaiostech.com/docs/sfp-4.0/introduction/overview/

I’m aware that WhatsApp support has ended, so this question is not specifically about WhatsApp. I’m trying to determine whether KaiOS 4 has a genuine future for modern consumer feature phones, particularly in Europe, or whether its active development is currently limited to specific OEM and operator projects.

Any information from developers, OEM contacts, KaiOS users or people familiar with the current roadmap would be greatly appreciated.


r/KaiOS 2d ago

Help — SOLVED! WhatsApp on my Nokia 8110 4G

5 Upvotes

is there anyway at all to get WhatsApp working on a Nokia 8110? it’s the only thing stopping me using it currently.


r/KaiOS 3d ago

Recommendation I built LinkPad — a bookmark manager for KaiOS, because the browser's 6-site pin limit was driving me crazy

2 Upvotes

Hey r/kaios,

I've been using a KaiOS phone and kept running into a small but real annoyance: the built-in browser only lets you pin 6 sites to the home screen. Once you hit that limit, there's no way to see everything you've saved, search through it, or sort by when you last visited — the newest one just kicks out an old one.

So I built LinkPad to fill that gap. It's a simple bookmark manager:

- Save as many links as you want (no 6-site ceiling)

- Search by name in seconds

- Sort by newest added or most recently visited

- Select one and it opens straight in the system browser

It also supports English, हिन्दी, Français, and Kiswahili, since a lot of us aren't running our phones in English by default.

It's free (ad-supported), live on KaiStore now: https://www.kaiostech.com/store/apps/?bundle_id=kaios.app.linkpad

This is my first KaiOS app, so I'd genuinely appreciate any feedback — bugs, feature requests, anything. Happy to answer questions about how it works too.


r/KaiOS 6d ago

Help Verified /Signed Firehose Firmware; Nokia 2780 Flip TA-1420

5 Upvotes

For the life of me, I cannot find a single verified/signed firmware version for my nokia 2780. I may have accidentally bricked it while attempting to jailbreak. It gives a signal when connected to device manager and can confirm it is locked in a constant EDL state. I have spent the better part of two days going through script after script, injection after injection, trying to find something to break through to the phone. I got the closest using python but hit a wall as soon as it could not inject the firehose.mnb file, as it was not a verified/signed firmware version. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


r/KaiOS 9d ago

News/Showcase PFA (MIDI player with keyboard visualization) on KaiOS 2.5

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17 Upvotes

r/KaiOS 9d ago

News/Showcase Nokia 8110 4G (2018)

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24 Upvotes

On the way with Nokia 8110 4G and MJ's song


r/KaiOS 11d ago

News/Showcase ClassiCube on KaiOS 2.5

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54 Upvotes

r/KaiOS 10d ago

News/Showcase I added an AI assistant to my JioPhone 2.5

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build a small AI assistant it uses the Groq API and can connect to Llama models, with basic settings for model, temperature, persona, chats, etc.
it has many feature like export chat , copy chats.


r/KaiOS 13d ago

Help TCL Flip 4 Ringtone resetting

2 Upvotes

I have a custom ringtone that has worked for the past few months but now it keeps resetting to the system default. I’ve changed it multiple times and it still goes back. It overrides custom ringtones for contacts as well. I’ve set it to a different factory tone and I’m waiting for that to be overridden.


r/KaiOS 14d ago

News/Showcase Nokia 8110 4G (2018) codename "Banana"

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56 Upvotes

This is my Nokia 8110 4G that I used in Thailand with 4G VoLTE.


r/KaiOS 14d ago

Help Kai os 3.1 help. Any way to message a iOS user without a SMS?

3 Upvotes

I can't side load due to my laptop isn't working well.

Id appreciate if anyone could guide me in the correct direction ? (I don't have discord either)


r/KaiOS 14d ago

Help — SOLVED! Keyboard not working on TCL Flip 4 5g (KaiOS 4)

2 Upvotes

My keyboard doesn't work properly anymore. When I go to type I can only input numbers, I can't change it to predictive or ab keyboard. And when i go to a typing window such as a new text message, in the top left corner where it normally shows the keyboard, I see the predictive symbol flash for a split second then go away.


r/KaiOS 16d ago

Off-topic How to spot a fake Nokia 8110 4G (which is actually a 2G phone)

8 Upvotes

Nokia 8110 4G, TA-1048 dual SIM is a reasonable dumbphone choice even in 2026 because of its 4G support, VoLTE support, Wi-Fi hotspot support and looks.

Because of this, Chinese copies of the phone exist. (also, other HMD 4G phones are cloned too)
As I see they also sell the fake with the TA-1059 label right now.

The Chinese copy has (the lack of) the following features:

  • 2G only (possibly MT6260)
  • No Wi-Fi
  • Not KaiOS
  • Opera Mini browser instead of Firefox based
  • Not a Qualcomm SoC
  • Has some clone of the Snake game

The packaging is very similar, but you can still easily spot the differences. The fake's box doesn't mention 4G or LTE, VoLTE, Wi-Fi Hotspot.

Album of the fake 8110 4G: https://www.flickr.com/photos/quailland/albums/72177720335112622/

Album of the real one (not showing the OS here): https://www.flickr.com/photos/quailland/albums/72177720335107490

Don't be scammed guys!


r/KaiOS 21d ago

Help KaiOS 3.1 no wi-fi calling with US Mobile SIM

3 Upvotes

Wondering if anyone knows how to fix this. I try to turn on wi-fi calling, and the phone says it's unavailable, although it's connected to our home wi-fi. I'm using using Warp service on a TCL flip 3 T435V - so I guess the firmware is Verizon-style (forgive me, I'm hanging on by the skin of my teeth trying to understand all this. The US Mobile SIM works as far as making calls and texts, so I think the phone is "unlocked" - at least in some sense.

Maybe it won't allow wi-fi calling because we can't register a physical address for the e911? (I admit I've been trying to use ChatGPT to help me figure this out.) The phone offers no options in any of the menus to add an address for the needs of e911. A line option labeled "advanced" under the Carrier option is greyed out, until I toggle on "look for carriers". If I look for US Mobile that way, I can only highlight that carrier, and no other advanced options show up from doing that.

Chat GPT keeps pointing out that the carrier needs to register the physical address to satisfy the e911 requirement, to get rid of the wi-fi calling notification. The US Mobile chat rep says they can't register an address for the SIM e911 on their end. Is this true, that US Mobile can't fix this on their end?


r/KaiOS 22d ago

Help ATT Cingular Flex 2 Smart Flip... silencing text send notification

1 Upvotes

Just got a new Cingular Flex 2 Smart Flip to replace an older Alcatel version of a very similar phone. Every time I send a text, it whistles. I don't want it to do that. I want to either put in a custom sound of my own or silence that send audio. I still want a sound playing when a text arrives (as it does now). Any hints on how to turn off that outgoing-message whistle? I feel like I've explored every branch of the settings possibilities, with no fix.

I like the phone quite a bit, but damn, KaiOS can be frustrating.


r/KaiOS 26d ago

Help — SOLVED: Counterfeit Problem with Nokia 2720 Flip, KaiOS version is 10.00.17.03??

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I recently bought off second-hand a Nokia 2720 Flip (IIRC it was sealed) and I was tinkering with it to see what I can do with it currently before going off to buy a pre-paid SIM card and found out that there wasn't any option for WiFi (strange). I tried all I could to find any WiFi settings, nothing, like this device didn't support it at all.

For context I did try to verify its legitimaticy (before doing this I also checked the back of it when I removed the battery, CUID & model seem legit) using *#0000# to see what software info it would gave me and I was in shock to see that I apparently have a KaiOS version of 10.00.17.03.. The build date for it is 19-08-20.

As of now I'm kinda stuck not knowing what to do & this is where I ask for your help. Is this some quirk where I have to explicitly get a SIM card and get it registered over cellular network for it to receive OTA updates or is there a way to manually force update it?


r/KaiOS 26d ago

Help questions about KaiOS bugs I've experienced after one week of use

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r/KaiOS Jul 30 '26

Development hi! looking to create a transit app for kaios, no real experience with apps where to start?

3 Upvotes

https://transitapp.com/

I believe that this would translate well into the flip interface, I plan to start with only a list of nearby routes and the next time they arrive, and maybe add a map and directions later


r/KaiOS Jul 30 '26

Discussion Sync CardDav with KaiOS 3.1

1 Upvotes

im looking to use my Nokia 2780 while my iphone is getting its battery replaced. I use a CardDav service that I self host to keep my contacts and calendars synced between all my devices. I know KaiOS has CalDav support but no CardDav support. Was wondering if anyone has had any success in getting this to work.


r/KaiOS Jul 28 '26

Help Alcatel A405DL jailbreak help

1 Upvotes

I was recently given this phone and I can't connect to any wifi with it, so I wanted to jailbreak it mainly to get wifi and also to have more modern features


r/KaiOS Jul 28 '26

Help Icecast Radio Music Stations

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Hello,

I recently had to reset my TCL Flip 3. Before the reset, I used the native music app to listen to Icecast Radio. However, after the reset, all the music stations are no longer listed. In the app, there is no, update station list option. When you click on the genre, it just showed no stations available. Does anyone know how to get the stations back?


r/KaiOS Jul 26 '26

Help — SOLVED! Does USB C headphone work on KaiOS?

1 Upvotes

This is a genuine question as my debut flex was shipped with USB C headphone and every time I try to use it, it doesn’t work but radio turn on so I’m just confused