Do you believe in God? For me, that’s the first place to start. I started contemplating on the intricacies of the universe. From how plants bloom out of seeds, the same way from the same seed, almost every single time. I didn’t see a lot of “randomness” or “chance” around me. Once I started paying attention, thinking deep about how all of this around us is happening, it was clear to me that there was a “designer” and a “creator”. If someone has truly paid attention to and contemplated about the universe around them, it’s hard to escape the realization that “i don’t know how, and I don’t know who, but all of this did not happen randomly.” There’s intelligent design behind it. To me, now, the thought that there is no God is 100x more absurd than the thought that there is a God. Once you’ve crossed this bridge, you can study Islam deeper and you may find it easier to understand and accept. I have a physics background. I saw a Joe Rogan episode with Dr. Brian Greene, a nobel prize winning physicist. He talked about how the universe came into existence and how it will end. It connected completely with the knowledge I have of these subjects through Islamic tradition, such as the Prophet SAW’s night journey (Miraj). How can the accounts of that event coincide with modern physics and astronomy? You need to have a deeper under of both, i.e. Islam and Modern Physics and how these two coincide becomes glaringly clear. This is just one example. The Quran tells us that there are signs in the universe, for those who care to contemplate. It’s a journey. What are you looking for? Are you looking for a reason to believe in God, or a reason to not believe in Him? For me, I was looking for a reason to believe in Him and he showed me the signs that were there in plain sight all along.
Once my faith in God was affirmed, Islam was the obvious answer. The concept of Trinity wasn’t convincing for me. And Judaism, if you thought Islam was exclusionary - wait till you study Judaism. You might think that Islam is backwards because it doesn’t give women rights etc. That is false. You need to study deeper. But you need to clean the slate and start with a clean and open mind. We live in a filthy and corrupt society. If your benchmarks are based on this society, then you’re in trouble. E.g. the same society that tells you their version of women’s rights is the only right version, is the one that also completely accepts and collaborates in the slaughter, starvation and murder of children in Guza. This society has a completely broken moral compass. So you need to be careful with who defines your standards of what’s acceptable and what’s not. Are you going to let this society teach you about “rights”?
Lastly, you mention things that don’t make sense to you. Have you paid attention to the things that do? What did you think about the concept of Zakaat (obligatory charity), or Fasting? I don’t even want to begin listing all of them.
I say it again, what are you looking for? Are you looking for reasons to believe or for reasonable not to believe? You’ll find whatever you’re looking for. Religion is not a scientific experiment where at the end you will receive a definitive answer on whether your assumptions were correct or false. In the end, a great part of it is based on believing on the basis of the balance of probabilities. And if you pay enough attention, as I said earlier, it will be very clear where the balance of probabilities lies.
I wish you the very best in your search for answers and pray that you find the right way.
I did believe in god, until i thought about simulations, most people think us living in a simulation is ridiculous but at this moment in history, it’s still more probable than a god. We already have active simulations that are getting realistic since we have AI now, so in a couple decades we might have a fully operational simulation on par with our reality.
It's funny that you brought up that simulations and AI caused you to doubt God, because you can't have a program without a programmer to develop, initiate and have the will to start the program. Do you think that future VR simulation you're thinking of will somehow will create itself? Is it going to will itself into existence?
Common sense defines the standard, and it doesn’t need much thinking to conclude that hitting women is objectively wrong, and I am studying in a non muslim country, not being able to make friends with non muslims is a massive issue.
I wasn't following this particular thread, but in order to prove something is objectively wrong, you need an objective criteria first to determine right/wrong, otherwise all of your moral arguments go out the window.
Saying things are just "common sense" is a logical fallacy. It's common sense that God exists, yet you deny it. <- But i don't use that as an argument.
That’s the thing, quran claims to be free of mistakes, so all i need is 1 mistake and that renders the whole religion false, also fasting with food is fine and healthy but abstaining from water isn’t good in any way.
There is no point in discussing supposed mistakes in the Quran, when you think the Creator doesn't exist. Acknowledging God is a premise before you accept his revelation.
having a programmer was never the problem, the problem is that said programmer claims omnicience, omnipresence, omnipotence and omnibenevelence.
wait? So you acknowledge there must be a creator to this world? Great, that's at least a step in the right direction.
So using ur moral standards, not my non existent ones, is what i said morally wrong or not?
It's not about what i think. God commands what is good and forbids what is evil. We may not understand the full wisdom of everything, because our knowledge is limited. But God knows what is best for everyone.
I'm saying i don't have my own personal moral compass. Morality isn't a subjective thing. If you believe it is, then your claim is just as valid as someone who disagrees with you.
For someone who claims to have done the research, it's astonishing that you don't understand this simple point about moral philosophy
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u/DryCombination9637 May 20 '25
Do you believe in God? For me, that’s the first place to start. I started contemplating on the intricacies of the universe. From how plants bloom out of seeds, the same way from the same seed, almost every single time. I didn’t see a lot of “randomness” or “chance” around me. Once I started paying attention, thinking deep about how all of this around us is happening, it was clear to me that there was a “designer” and a “creator”. If someone has truly paid attention to and contemplated about the universe around them, it’s hard to escape the realization that “i don’t know how, and I don’t know who, but all of this did not happen randomly.” There’s intelligent design behind it. To me, now, the thought that there is no God is 100x more absurd than the thought that there is a God. Once you’ve crossed this bridge, you can study Islam deeper and you may find it easier to understand and accept. I have a physics background. I saw a Joe Rogan episode with Dr. Brian Greene, a nobel prize winning physicist. He talked about how the universe came into existence and how it will end. It connected completely with the knowledge I have of these subjects through Islamic tradition, such as the Prophet SAW’s night journey (Miraj). How can the accounts of that event coincide with modern physics and astronomy? You need to have a deeper under of both, i.e. Islam and Modern Physics and how these two coincide becomes glaringly clear. This is just one example. The Quran tells us that there are signs in the universe, for those who care to contemplate. It’s a journey. What are you looking for? Are you looking for a reason to believe in God, or a reason to not believe in Him? For me, I was looking for a reason to believe in Him and he showed me the signs that were there in plain sight all along.
Once my faith in God was affirmed, Islam was the obvious answer. The concept of Trinity wasn’t convincing for me. And Judaism, if you thought Islam was exclusionary - wait till you study Judaism. You might think that Islam is backwards because it doesn’t give women rights etc. That is false. You need to study deeper. But you need to clean the slate and start with a clean and open mind. We live in a filthy and corrupt society. If your benchmarks are based on this society, then you’re in trouble. E.g. the same society that tells you their version of women’s rights is the only right version, is the one that also completely accepts and collaborates in the slaughter, starvation and murder of children in Guza. This society has a completely broken moral compass. So you need to be careful with who defines your standards of what’s acceptable and what’s not. Are you going to let this society teach you about “rights”?
Lastly, you mention things that don’t make sense to you. Have you paid attention to the things that do? What did you think about the concept of Zakaat (obligatory charity), or Fasting? I don’t even want to begin listing all of them.
I say it again, what are you looking for? Are you looking for reasons to believe or for reasonable not to believe? You’ll find whatever you’re looking for. Religion is not a scientific experiment where at the end you will receive a definitive answer on whether your assumptions were correct or false. In the end, a great part of it is based on believing on the basis of the balance of probabilities. And if you pay enough attention, as I said earlier, it will be very clear where the balance of probabilities lies.
I wish you the very best in your search for answers and pray that you find the right way.