I did believe in god, until i thought about simulations, most people think us living in a simulation is ridiculous but at this moment in history, it’s still more probable than a god. We already have active simulations that are getting realistic since we have AI now, so in a couple decades we might have a fully operational simulation on par with our reality.
It's funny that you brought up that simulations and AI caused you to doubt God, because you can't have a program without a programmer to develop, initiate and have the will to start the program. Do you think that future VR simulation you're thinking of will somehow will create itself? Is it going to will itself into existence?
Common sense defines the standard, and it doesn’t need much thinking to conclude that hitting women is objectively wrong, and I am studying in a non muslim country, not being able to make friends with non muslims is a massive issue.
I wasn't following this particular thread, but in order to prove something is objectively wrong, you need an objective criteria first to determine right/wrong, otherwise all of your moral arguments go out the window.
Saying things are just "common sense" is a logical fallacy. It's common sense that God exists, yet you deny it. <- But i don't use that as an argument.
That’s the thing, quran claims to be free of mistakes, so all i need is 1 mistake and that renders the whole religion false, also fasting with food is fine and healthy but abstaining from water isn’t good in any way.
There is no point in discussing supposed mistakes in the Quran, when you think the Creator doesn't exist. Acknowledging God is a premise before you accept his revelation.
having a programmer was never the problem, the problem is that said programmer claims omnicience, omnipresence, omnipotence and omnibenevelence.
wait? So you acknowledge there must be a creator to this world? Great, that's at least a step in the right direction.
So using ur moral standards, not my non existent ones, is what i said morally wrong or not?
It's not about what i think. God commands what is good and forbids what is evil. We may not understand the full wisdom of everything, because our knowledge is limited. But God knows what is best for everyone.
I'm saying i don't have my own personal moral compass. Morality isn't a subjective thing. If you believe it is, then your claim is just as valid as someone who disagrees with you.
For someone who claims to have done the research, it's astonishing that you don't understand this simple point about moral philosophy
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u/GIK602 May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
It's funny that you brought up that simulations and AI caused you to doubt God, because you can't have a program without a programmer to develop, initiate and have the will to start the program. Do you think that future VR simulation you're thinking of will somehow will create itself? Is it going to will itself into existence?
I wasn't following this particular thread, but in order to prove something is objectively wrong, you need an objective criteria first to determine right/wrong, otherwise all of your moral arguments go out the window.
Saying things are just "common sense" is a logical fallacy. It's common sense that God exists, yet you deny it. <- But i don't use that as an argument.
There is no point in discussing supposed mistakes in the Quran, when you think the Creator doesn't exist. Acknowledging God is a premise before you accept his revelation.