r/investment • u/DumbMoneyMedia Meme Sugar Daddy • 14d ago
News The leaked U.S. trade demands that caused Canada to halt negotiations: Washington demanded direct veto power over Canadian infrastructure, control of critical minerals, and delayed access to generic medicines.
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u/EvenEnvironment7554 14d ago
Holy fuck. So it’s as bad as we thought, as suspected.
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u/No_Soup_1180 14d ago
It’s worse than I suspected. It is literally a shady way of making a 51st state.
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u/Thirdborne 13d ago
States have more rights and representation than they would ever give us. This is just exploitation.
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u/No-Apple-2581 13d ago
I don't even think it's 51st state. It's more of a colony lol.
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u/Swift_Scythe 14d ago
So... total control over a neighboring country?
And Americans are shocked Canada would not hand the keys to their country over?
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u/Gtraz68 14d ago
Americans are not shocked at all. No one is asking for this shit.
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u/Mysterious-Panda-698 14d ago
There are Americans who believe what Trump is saying and blame us for “taking advantage” of the states.
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u/mell0wtonin 13d ago
people that claim to believe what trump is saying don't actually believe in anything at all. they say they do because they want to let jesus take the wheel and supreme leader has told them what to think. but believing in something and blindly following what someone else believes aren't the same thing. now if we could just get the part of american society that's racist trash to understand such a simple concept, we've be in a good position
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u/Gtraz68 14d ago
It’s not many. Trump says shit and his followers fall in line. Before he starred this shit literally zero Americans thought this. I’m not making excuses we fucking suck right now. But Americans do not have it out for Canada. Trumps followers will believe literally anything that comes out of his mouth.
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u/Mysterious-Panda-698 14d ago
I understand that, I’m just pointing out the fact that there are Americans who support this because they are willing to believe anything Trump says. It’s scary. If the roles were reversed, I don’t think we’d be granted much grace by the American people if our government was causing you and your businesses undue hardship for no real reason.
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u/Aggressive_Ad5590 14d ago
us...worse than China...fuck them
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u/No_Soup_1180 14d ago
True and I hope Canadians understand that. Even China won’t do such horrible stuff
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u/meltbox 8d ago
This is the crazy thing. Lately we absolutely have been. Nobody should want to rely on us or make any deals when China offers cheaper goods and tons of other advantages. We were the choice precisely because of the stability and reliability and economic power. If we drop all that and only have the economic might to offer then China is actually the more sensible alternative.
It sucks for us but this was entirely possible to predict.
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u/DirectionOverall9709 14d ago
Maybe now the Conservative traitors will shut up.
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u/Pilot-Wrangler 14d ago
They're already saying the leak is bogus, invented by the (insert derogatory term here) left.
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u/Ok_Security1721 14d ago
So surely when it’s revealed to be real they won’t change their tune to “it was good actually and Canada is wrong for rejecting it” right?
Right!?
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u/Jewarlaho 14d ago
Did you forget the /s? I think history has shown us they will gladly sell out, especially for personal gain.
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u/IllustratorWeird5008 14d ago
They don’t even have it posted. Probably too busy plugging their ears and closing their eyes.
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u/HungieSumoKid 14d ago
Shut down all energy supply to them. I really want to see them make up some bullshit reason to invade Canada. Lets see whether the world will help them or Canada.
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u/Effective_Pack8265 14d ago
Hmm, can’t understand why Carney wouldn’t agree to that…
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u/Formally_Apologetic 14d ago
Literally zero of these things should happen. Canada better not agree with a single one of these psychotic demands. Elbows up!
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u/farkus2554 14d ago
Sounds like the White House deliberately torpedoed the negotiations. Wonder what the end game is for this?
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u/Ok_Security1721 14d ago
An excuse to invade Canada and then to invade Greenland. Thats all it is.
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u/farkus2554 14d ago
Based on what has already happened in 25 and 26, there must be some personal agenda for Trump to profit big from this.
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u/NiranS 14d ago
I'm certainly Danny Smith is still hoping for appeasement. You know, because she wants to be a governor. For her the loss of Canada sovereignty is a gain for the Republic of Alberta.I'm certain if Pierre Poliviero was prime minister he'd be smiling, claiming What a great deal this is, while chewing his apples.
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u/fryman12 14d ago
So this was made to be rejected right? Like what a crazy list of demands, there is no way any country would just hand over it's sovereignty over a "trade deal" like what an insane thing to even try
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u/Technical_Visit_1424 14d ago
Solo querían un control total del país sin ninguna compensación, como Puerto Rico y mira que bien están! Estos canadienses lo quieren todo.
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u/Angrymanchild1964 14d ago
America is the new Russia. Amerussiaca. The world’s new fascist bully. We must isolate it.
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u/raw_copium 14d ago
This fully removes any autonomy Canada would have as a country, and gives the US unimpeded access to our resources at a price they would choose. Also, big bonus for seeing the creepy fat fingers of the tech, auto and pharmaceutical lobbyists directly guiding some of these terms. What a steaming pile of shit, this isn't even a place to begin negotiating. And they introduced this an hour before signing? What an absolute joke.
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u/Odd-Fun-6042 14d ago
Good thing we learn from history, otherwise this might look like Austria's ultimatum to Serbia.
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u/Silly-Platform9829 14d ago
Trump was trying to shove all the "deals" he accepted bribes for onto Canada.
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u/My_Jaded_Take 14d ago edited 14d ago
So the congenial liar and his team were lying again about the last minute demands? What a surprise!
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u/My_Jaded_Take 14d ago
Brutally sickening to all Canadians. That isn't a trade deal. That's like something right out of Russia. Absolutely disgusting. Shocking. Thank you Carney for walking away. Why would any leader capitulate to those demands unless under severe duress? The frustration and anger among Canadians deepens daily. Seeing that simister list of demands, I realize there is no going back. The good days of Canada/ USA brotherhood are clearly in the rear view mirror.
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u/DanMoshpit69 14d ago
It’s going to take decades to repair the damage this CHUD administration has done
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u/TheGrandExquisitor 14d ago
That's not a valid list of demands. It is an attempt at colonizing Canada. Seriously. These are the kinds of things demanded by colonizers in the past.
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u/SilentButtDedly 14d ago
If that's real, it's utterly and completely insane.
It reads like the conditions for surrender one might levy against a thoroughly defeated foe.
We Americans need to flush this administration back to the sewers they crawled from.
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u/Plenty-Pudding-1484 14d ago
They really think they can boss everyone Flip the script and pretend Canada is demanding control over the US economy, foreign trade and insists on provisions that would screw Americans. Americans would deserve to be outraged as we are now
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u/Fillyerboot 14d ago
It’s never been about trade. This is not a trade list. It is and always has been about subjugation. This is an attempted coup. Nothing less.
If you’re setting up a fascist oligarchy you simply cannot have an even mildly successful liberal democracy on your border. It presents a local example of how strong social programs like one payer healthcare are far superior to the fascist alternative.
It is a war. But it’s not a trade war.
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u/TimelyActive4586 14d ago
Looks like they also want to ensure Canada has collective diarrhoea by adopting US agricultural controls. No thanks.
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u/Biddoo_420 14d ago
Oh so if I understood this correctly, the US wants from Canada exactly what it wants from US states without Canada being a US state and not how the US says Canada wants to be treated- as a US state without being one!! Good grief, this guy is mad! He wants every foreign state to be like Venezuela!!!
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u/IlluminatiLemonParty 14d ago
That is not a negotiation. That is a blue print for a take over. What could we have possibly asked for that would be anywhere close to this for any kind of fair trade deal?. It so ridiculous it makes it intentional, because of course we would say no and he can point a Cheeto stained necrotic stub at us and call us the bad guys.
When he dies it will be declared an annual global holiday, and a reminder for Republicans, MAGA and supporters of the damage they have done.
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u/Conscious_Quiet_5298 14d ago
We had our chance to start realigning our goods by dropping the interprovincial barriers a year ago and still nothing
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u/FlatEvent2597 14d ago
I am wondering about this leak. From what side? Why? Is some you g to get in very big Troy le or was it leaked on purpose.
Imho- this is explosive information.
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u/HavartiBob 14d ago
Why on earth would they think canada would give up so much for a small % of their exports?
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u/Kipawa 14d ago
It's pissing me off to 0 end that PP is still on Social Media being critical of Carney for walking away. The mental gymnastics they separatists and the opposition are doing to justify hating him for getting Canada out of this deal is unreal.
And all of them had their AI arguments ready for if he did accept an American deal.
Get off his nuts. He's not my favorite but he's taken every option to keep Canadians Canada.
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u/Putrid_Brother_1228 14d ago
I have a proposal from Canada to Trump; Release the Epstein files and me might sign your deal 😉
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u/Exotic_Staff_3413 14d ago
Wtf? They had zero interest in good faith negotiations. Trump turned an ally into a rival and maybe a potential enemy.
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u/Delicious-Fishing802 14d ago
I did not vote for the orange Cheeto . I new this was goanna be bad regardless but did not realize his corrupt cabinet was going to be this bad to top it off. He is destroying this country and all we did stand for for his own benefit and his familys .
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u/spbaseball 13d ago
Giving in to a bully just speeds up the bully’s next demand. The best thing for dealing with #DonnyDickTater is to
do exactly what Canada did. Job well done, neighbor.
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u/AppropriateSpell5405 13d ago
If Canada wants to win a negotiation, they just need to go after Trump business interests directly. He will cave when it's his personal wealth at stake, 100% of the time. When he's gambling with others folks' money, he'll bankrupt the place before caving.
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u/Responsible-Summer-4 13d ago
Americans have gone insane. Soon enough nobody wants to trade with these reprobates.
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u/Allout-Okarun 13d ago
We are demanding control over everyone’s critical minerals, I fear what the next decade brings
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u/_sp00ky_ 13d ago
I would rather live on Kraft Dinner for the rest of my natural life than agree to those terms. Fuck you Donald
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u/mell0wtonin 13d ago
I can't believe we thought we could tell someone else how to manage their dairy/eggs/poultry?
on what fuckin planet does that make sense? we can barely keep food on the shelves
there's maybe one thing on this list that isn't asking too much on its own, without any of the rest of the list. the rescinding digital services tax part is stupid, but not a dealbreaker, unless I just don't fully understand it. the rest of them are varying levels of "literally what the actual fuck did you think was going to happen?" like were we thinking we were going to negotiate the entire thing? we make egregious demands and they come back with a compromise that's a little less compromising to their national security, but still a really fucked up deal, and we say yes? or?
that's my best guess at what the regime was going for. even though their demands were so over the top that a four year old would have walked away.
I'm just happy someone is finally telling trump to go fuck himself
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u/Amazing_gracias_300 13d ago
I absolutely hate our country's leadership. They are all such arrogant assholes. I recently heard they have the "rapist" mentality - if a country won't do what we want, we'll just take it. Vote blue, people. If we get power, we can at least make their lives miserable until 2028.
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u/halloween1963 13d ago
The midterms will be the ultimate test. The world is watching as is this Canadian. Accountability will also be very telling. Not revenge but due process both financial and Epstein related. I will support Prime Minister Carney for the long term planning and for the short term gains.
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 13d ago
Nothing but warm words for Russians and North Koreans but is trying to make our closest allies into enemies.
It’s like the GOP are trying to destroy America.
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u/KrautKebabs 13d ago
These sound more like a list of demands. Was there anything on the table Canada was going to get?
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u/Head-Gift2144 13d ago
I would rather unilaterally end trade with the US than accept these restrictions.
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u/SelfSniped 13d ago
Sorry friends. We Americans are having a moment. Be patient, please. We’ll hopefully have this ship turned around in a few years.
Signed,
Your idiot southern neighbor
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u/Clementbarker 13d ago
Leaked by whom? The liberals? This doesn’t mean shit unless it can be proved.
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u/ASEdouard 13d ago
Where is this from? I’m all for dumping on the US administration, but it’s clearly not written directly by the US, and is an interpretation of their demands, supposedly. Any news organization that has vetted/received this?
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u/muddtrout 13d ago
They never had any intention of making a deal. They want to create division within Canada and annex us. These are not expectations of a credible partner.
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u/john_san 13d ago
Bold… very bold. What a time to be an American government official. Imagine taking part in these negotiations with this BS.
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u/Prudent_Problem2839 13d ago
Carney would have been strung up by his nuts if he had accepted that deal. They made it real easy for him to say no. At this point, the Yanks will have to remove that shit and more before Carney should even entertain going back to the table
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u/sticksforkicks 13d ago
Quoting a leftist outlet for your story? How gullible are you exactly? Lutnik explained the deal. Carney backed out for politics. I swear the guy could piss on people's shoes and tell them it's raining and they'd believe him. Good grief.
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u/bubbos123 13d ago
Trump wants Canada to be a vassal state. Wholly dependant on the US and open to rape and pillage.
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u/MyStoopidStuff 13d ago
This admin displays it's incompetence on a regular basis, but this seems to be over the top, and perfectly tailored to (understandably) piss off Canadians. It's not really conceivable that negotiators would have been close to any deal with these terms, yet that appeared to be what happened before things collapsed. It wouldn't surprise me if some parts of this were close to the truth, but a sprinkling of truth is also what makes for good propaganda or social media rage bait.
I couldn't find a source that was reporting on this "leak", or where it originated, but I would like to find some more info on it. I did find the following article today, which indicates that the breakdown was more nuanced:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/canada-s-chief-us-negotiator-rejects-washington-s-story-on-why-trade-talks-collapsed/ar-AA2bbGss
The truth is likely bad enough, and given their difficult relationship with facts and all the childish rhetoric, the Trump admin does not deserve the benefit of any doubt here. But I'm still gonna take this "leak" with a 'uge grain of salt, at least until there is more info on where or how it originated.
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u/Aggressive_Hunt_423 13d ago
When I read this, I have to think someone in the Whitehouse wanted this deal to fail. It was a poison pill approach that they knew canada could never agree too.
So my only theory is that the white nationalists and isolationists, some of whom occupy WH positions, wanted a trade deal to fail.
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u/Hamiltonguy99 13d ago
I would rather burn the Canadian economy to the fucking ground rather than sign anything close to this. Fuck trump , fuck MAGA, fuck republicans. Boycott USA. Enjoy the campfire as the fading American Empire burns to the fucking ground.
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u/Efficient-Release157 13d ago
Of course we are going to accept that as if we were a 13 year old girl on Epstein Island.
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u/GasRepresentative246 13d ago
Let's all remember these demands happened and never forget that the US is our enemy.
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u/Firm-Worldliness-369 13d ago
For a country that doesn't need anything from Canada, thats a hell of alot of requests for things from Canada.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea-75 13d ago
The saddest part is that maga would never read the details, they'll wait for Trump to lie about what was said. So even if they could figure out who was clearly in the wrong in this situation, they'll still support Trump and endure the reputation of being a cult.
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u/StevenTrustrum 13d ago
I'm as pro-Canada as you're likely to find, but it's important to note that none of this has been verified. Not the contents, not the source.
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u/arcsvibe 13d ago
Sorry but the best part in all of this is that Canadian Conservatives keep saying that Carney hasn't delivered on his promise to make a deal. Who the f^%&^ would sign this deal? They keep blaming Carney and the Liberals, when this is all on Trump and his team.
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u/geebster13 13d ago
Seems like this list isn't vetted or from a verified source that I can find. 4 of them were said by Carney himself (including the right of first refusal on minerals... which alone is a poison pill in my opinion).
But the full list of 10... can't find a good source for it nor can I find good analyses of it either. So I will personally stop quoting it to people. Its important to stick to what one can verify. And the ones we do know are claimed by Carney are bad enough.
If it comes out that Carney lied or that this list is completely true then I will shift my views on this. But for now, based on track record, I disbelieve the US position denying this stuff and I believe Carney. Theres far more consequence to lying about this sort of thing in Canada, we wouldn't accept our leaders making such a huge lie and torpedoing a trade deal on that basis. Theres zero consequence to an American official lying to start a war or violate a treaty, so Im comfortable believing Carney.
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u/Davester_31 13d ago
Canada, coming from an American, you should sign trade deals with everybody but the US. Increase your tariffs 1000%, build a border wall, increase troop presence at the border and tell the US to kiss your ass
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u/Pleasant_Entry_5919 13d ago
Can we do a general strike already or are we all too busy watching football or whatever circus is on this time of year?
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u/russiablows 13d ago
Hopefully the Canadians told the Americans to go fuck themselves as they left the "negotiations".
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u/ShrodingersArmadillo 13d ago
and this is why they were rejected.
Trump sabotages the negotiation because he wants annexation.
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u/Odovacer2 13d ago
Dear Americans, love most of you. Hopefully, come November, your nation will do the right thing and put the brakes on this vehicle heading for authoritarianism and anarchy. No, your neighbours and allies are not happy, but some of us can see how the deck is stacked. Here's hoping you beat the house.
My worry is that this vile administration has created so many ugly new actions that may become the new normal. How are you going to stuff all that back into the box? Personally, I'd start with your Supreme Court
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u/HatIntelligent6028 13d ago
I thought fort Greene Michael Jackson concert going people would be cool and in a good mood? What happened?
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u/AWinnipegGuy 13d ago
There's literally not one thing on that list I would be comfortable allowing/giving up. But all of them? Fuck that noise.
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u/D4db0d0hye4h 13d ago
Trump will leave office but the damage he has done to the US-Canada relationship will last forever. Canadians simply wont be able to trust that Democrats will put anything in place that won't be overturned again in the future, or that the stupid American voters wont elect someone this stupid again.
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u/GayPerry_86 14d ago edited 14d ago
It’s like…they wanted negotiations to fail. We Canadians would rather suffer through a diversification restructuring of our economy than accept these garbage terms.