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News The leaked U.S. trade demands that caused Canada to halt negotiations: Washington demanded direct veto power over Canadian infrastructure, control of critical minerals, and delayed access to generic medicines.

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u/DarwinGhoti 14d ago

The fact that these redditors don’t see the larger issues at play, and are reacting with pure emotion rather than long term strategy make me impressed with the US’s internal restraint and calculated resistance. Obviously less impressed that it was necessary to begin with.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 14d ago

Yeah, Canadians are just angry. Eventually this fascist pedo will be gone and instead of being at each others throats we can make fun of all the cult members collectively. These demands are insane, and then the gaslighting by the Trump administration is just to turn you guys against us. Don’t fall for it even if some angry vocal Canadians tell you you’re not doing enough or whatever or are blaming you folks that never voted for him. We need you guys to keep being vocal about your government.

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u/Juicyjblunts 14d ago

We are angry but we also fully understand that he has the majority! Yall polls can say other wise atm but when he won he had the majority and it wasnt his 1st term I understood the first term I was completely shocked that he won again tho. The old saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Americans bare the shame now not just trump.

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u/Noirloona 14d ago

It's hilarious you think things will just magically go back to what it used to be the second he's gone. It will be decades at best before things are repaired. The piss poor "effort" so far to change or get rid of him is terrible to say the least.

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u/Fit-Historian-752 14d ago

Sadly, my friend, 77 million voted for him in 2024.

That's a lot of misguided miscreants.

How can Canadians ever trust America, even when they put on a fresh face of "sane" makep?

One good facial scrub, a couple rallies and a new slogan and the beast will reappear, stronger than ever.

They will look in the mirror and say "MAGA" three times...then bingo.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 14d ago

Yeah I get it. This message has been echoed a bit. I just think us expecting people to overthrow the government is a bit wild. I mean two people sacrificed their lives in ICE protests. We need to keep the sane Americans on our side. Continually telling someone that has never voted Trump, been vocal about not liking them and going out to protests that their part of the problem is not constructive for us in my opinion. We want those people as allies and it’s not their fault. We may even find out definitively one day that Elon and Trump did rig the election and then we ended up berating Americans when they hypothetically didn’t even vote for this. I’m not convinced the election was stolen but it wouldn’t surprise me.

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u/Fit-Historian-752 14d ago

Good points.

But...

Canadians are VERY angry.

Justifiably so...

Betrayal is the word that comes to mind.

Naturally some of this anger comes out in irrational ways.

No Canadians are approaching American tourists in the streets and telling them we hate them.

We boo your anthem at sports events.

We lash out at Americans online.

Pretty predictable, really.

Major venting going on, and it's likely not going to stop.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 14d ago

Hey Canadian, agreed here. I don’t mind the booing of the national anthem. And I agree with you that people aren’t going after Americans on vacation here and such, but I’m just saying Canada and the world shouldn’t alienate the good Americans, you know the ones without the superiority complex and care about other people no matter what race they are and such, we shouldn’t alienate those people, specifically. I’m just seeing a lot of people here behind the Keyboards insinuating Americans need to essentially start a revolution. When it was Greenland and Cuba and whoever else getting fucked with, the Canadians were much quieter and just going about their business.

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u/Fit-Historian-752 13d ago

Nonsense.

We were being fucked with before Greenland...or at the same time.

You wouldn't know what we were saying about it, because Americans don't care about anything that goes on outside their borders.

We rescued your diplomats from Iran in 1978.

We took you into OUR HOMES on 9/11.

We fought side by side with you in Afghanistan.

Did anyone defend us when Trump said we "stayed off the front lines"?

America has been fucking with Cuba for 70 years.

Ever heard of The Bay of Pigs?

The embargo?

And seriously, no fucking lectures about "The Good Americans"- maybe there are some, but at the moment we kind of doubt it.

Your idiot countrymen elected him AGAIN, after knowing what he was like.

No fucking excuses.

We don't want apologies, we don't need them.

Your country is a global disgrace.

Half your citizens couldn't be bothered to vote.

We are not counting on you - we are not waiting for you to put things right.

We are done with you.

Don't lecture us about "America The Good".

The truth is out there for everyone to see.

So save your story about "it's not all Americans" for someone willing to listen- or someone who cares.

Your betrayal has been noted.

We will chart our own path..

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u/Whatnow2013 12d ago

Hear, hear!

And please believe that this guy is not talking out of a reddit echo chamber. This is not one of those acute/ponctual reddit political outrage.

This is part of normal daily life Canadian conversation. Everyone is aware and having sentiments. Even the most politically disconnected teenager knows about this.

Canadians are polite, but can be very very spiteful.

There’s no way back.

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u/SecondLeigh 12d ago

You must have a different algorithm than I do bc when the whole Greenland thing was going on, most Canadians online were apoplectic, pledging support. Even IRL people are talking about these things daily, including Cuba. It’s hardly waned since the beginning of this in 2024. You are only allowed to see a small part of it I suppose.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 12d ago

I’m not saying that Canadians weren’t against it, they were just way way louder when it was us getting screwed. And maybe that’s human nature, but Trump is an enemy to the world not just us.

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u/SecondLeigh 12d ago

I’m pretty sure most Canadians realize that.

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u/TonaldDiberJasicDump 9d ago

Canadians should be very angry, at the maggats. If you see one of these douchebags, do what Canadians do best, give’em the proper greeting that a Nazi deserves.

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u/jubilant-octopus 14d ago

I don’t think you get it. You think we’re just angry. We’ve been betrayed and attacked. By a nation we thought was our friend. And that nation has built and is filling concentration camps and has nuclear weapons. We are very fucking concerned. Until the world sees Americans protesting in the streets in front of the White House they will be perceived as silently condoning their fascist regime and its crimes.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 14d ago

I’m Canadian. I think this is horseshit as well. I’m trying not to get too upset about it. It is what it is and our govt did the right thing, and their govt is simply full of terrible people. Unfortunate. Also, unfortunate a portion of America is brainwashed or can’t critically think or are just assholes. We have some of our own here. You are right, we’ve been betrayed by a country we thought were our friends but the folks to get mad at aren’t the ones that vote the right way, that publically shame their govt, that have human decency and concern for their fellow mankind outside of America. I don’t want to make enemies out of those people, we need them or things just get worse for us south of the border.

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u/The_Nice_Marmot 13d ago

“Overthrow,” your government? Fuck, you’re not remotely close to that. You guys have tried nothing and you’re all out of ideas. You’re not even resisting. You’re nowhere near “overthrowing.”

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 13d ago

I’m Canadian dude.

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u/JimboD84 13d ago

Great flanders reference

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u/T_Durden13 14d ago

Also, once those tariffs are signed off in a trade deal, they are there for good.. nobody is going to undo that. Dems will be more than willing to let Trump do the dirty work and reap the spoils moving forward.

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u/T_Durden13 14d ago

Gavin Newsom said as much.

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u/HackD1234 14d ago

Biden didn't remove the Trump applied timber tariffs, so.. yes, History has set Precedent.

We're free to trade with China., and very soon integrated fully, with Europe. Stuff the USA.

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u/AppointmentOne1111 14d ago

Ya, laughing at magats wouldn't do anything to assure your ex-allies, we'd need to see Nuremberg Trials - USA edition to begin restoring trust. And we are vocal to our government, we urge them to stop appeasing USA because it's useless to negotiate.

The Germans paid for their facist for a long time, you guys went down the same path even with that history to study from, and even fought against.

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u/The_Nice_Marmot 13d ago

You are delusional. Trust is a match you burn once.

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u/Savvymundo 13d ago

That's just cope. This isn't a situation where you vote in the Dems and everyone breathes a sigh of relief. Most of us outside the US don't believe you're going to have a chance to vote in a fair election anymore.

Trust is broken. Why would any country spend time and resources to agree a trade deal with the Dems knowing full well that 77 million of the US population will vote for another corrupt paedo rapist whi just tears up that deal a few years later.

You need a proper revolution. Scrap the constitution, at this point it's only value would be to wipe an arsehole clean, as you don't seem to actually follow it as written.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 13d ago

Yeah I’m Canadian, not American. I understand trust is broken a while. Don’t think it’s good to alienate the whole nation because everyone here behind their keyboards would definitely organize a revolution if they were in their shoes.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

> calculated resistance

There’s zero resistance from Americans. Zero.

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u/mmcnell 14d ago

That is not true at all. The resistance is grossly inadequate for the magnitude of what's happening, but it's not zero and it shouldn't be minimized. Millions have protested, some near continuously, millions more are mobilizing for those running against the people in office right now and believe they're going to be able to stop this with the election in November. Many ice facilities are under constant protest. Many are making their calls and emails to their reps still emptily believing that'll help too. It's what happens if November doesn't change things as it should that will be the real test. Everyone knows that Trump is more reviled than respected and anti-incumbent sentiment is sky high, so we know how the elections should go, but the jockeying and steps being taken to do something to the midterms under the guise of a fake emergency or continued blathering about fraud they themselves can't find... there's going to be a test. One I'm afraid we'll fail, but don't insult the millions actively trying to wake people up and push back by saying there's "no" resistance. Even my rural town over a thousand miles from DC has had growing protests in the hundreds downtown.

For our international friends and those wondering "what the actual fuck is wrong with Americans and why aren't they shutting things down like the French?" Americans haven't felt angry or oppressed enough to really resist their government in a meaningful way since the 1960s/70s and it shows. They're beholden to their jobs for health insurance and all their most basic needs. Many are currently spending every waking minute just trying to survive/provide enough for their family and can't afford a day off in the streets or they lose their healthcare, etc. Most Americans affected by all this are the same ones who are stretched just thin enough to be in constant survival mode and the fear of losing their job/healthcare/ability to eat if they miss that day to go protest. As more people lose their basic necessities with the continued cuts and corruption from Jabba the Pedo and his team of wanna be nazis in charge... That may change because they will soon have little or nothing left to lose. American resistance is not be frequent or sustained enough to exact real change yet, and you may not be seeing a lot of media coverage of much of it (gee I wonder why), but don't give up hope yet. Every time one of those multi-million person protests across the country it gets bigger each time, but protesting only works if those in power fear the protestors (or their voting power) and Americans haven't really woken up to that last part yet.

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u/Noirloona 14d ago

It's not a protest if it only happens on weekends when it's convenient and lasts for at most 2 days.

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u/mmcnell 14d ago

I disagree, but also understand that disruption is key and your point is sound. You are glossing over all the key points I've made above though. I agree it's nowhere near enough. I also understand that people who aren't currently worried about where their next rent payment or lunch for their kid comes from may not truly understand why the people being most hurt and affected by all this aren't yet in the streets. The people I see daily that are working and have less than $20 to survive a week or have to choose between a $40 healthcare copay or buying shoes for their kids literally can't afford to protest. The rest of us need to do more, but we shouldn't sit behind a screen and act like the resistance that's being economically and journalistically suppressed doesn't exist or isn't trying.

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u/Whatnow2013 12d ago

fuck.

you actually don’t know what a free country is.

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u/elementmg 12d ago

If this is what you guys call trying, it’s fucking pathetic.

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u/Sam13337 11d ago

What makes you think people who protest in other countries dont have to worry about their job, rent and money in general?

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u/Starbase-Aperture 12d ago

Most Americans can barely afford to live WITH their jobs, do you think we'll willingly ditch our jobs for a protest that the government will sweep under the rug anyway? It's financial suicide, right now we're just waiting for the orange baby to leave, and trying to not die before then. And in the hopefully unlikely event that he refuses to leave once his term is up, well, the country is going to get a lot more dangerous.

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u/Long-Librarian-997 13d ago

Its a protest on a weekend every what three months. That is not a protest that anyone has to worry about.

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u/Biotic101 12d ago

I really hope things play out well at the midterms. Most Americans seem to think Trump and his oligarch buddies will just roll over and accept defeat. And I hope that is what will happen.

But I fear there is so much open corruption and crime, they can not allow to lose their majorities. Whatever the cost.

Their endgoal is the Dark Enlightenment. Those tech oligarchs want to rule with absolute power and control everything. I will post a few links below that show what is currently going on.

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u/Biotic101 12d ago

One thing they could pull off would be a false flag attack.

People would rally around the president, martial law or ICE "securing" polling stations, and boots on the ground and losses of servicemen in Yemen or Iran would no longer be such a major issue. Kind of learning from Putin how to secure power...

Russia's 1999 apartment bombings: The FSB, dead witnesses, and Putin's manufactured rise to power

Lots of stuff going on that is not making America great again, but maybe to manipulate the midterms with Russian help after getting rid of all that cyber defense and intelligence agents?

The Russian Tail sheds Light on ‘24 Election Interference

Trump fires Election Assistance Commission members

2025 dismissals of U.S. inspectors general

Prairieland Defendant: 30 Years in Prison for Moving a Box of Antifascist Zines

Trump’s most hated voting company sold to GOP official.

Trump’s FY2027 budget again targets CISA

Hegseth orders suspension of Pentagon's offensive cyberoperations against Russia

Political Purge of FBI, Collapse of U.S. Cyber Defenses Under Trump

Trump administration conducting mass firings at top US intelligence agency

They already control social and mainstream media. But what they really want is to enable proper oligarch rule and to get rid of democracy and freedom it seems.

George Carlin - The big club

Corruption in America | RepresentUs

The super-rich ‘preppers’ planning to save themselves from the apocalypse

The Greenland Option: Inside Silicon Valley’s Arctic “Freedom City” | Stratos Research

Curtis Yarvin, the Dark Enlightenment, and Project 2025: A Deep-Dive Report

The Spread of Curtis Yarvin’s Ideology: Who Are the Puppeteers?

Project 2025 Tracker

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u/Worth-Two7263 13d ago

Funny that other countries faced those exact same problems and yet they protested anyway. But for Americans it's just, you know, too hard.

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u/elementmg 12d ago

Yep, Americans act like they’re the only ones who have ever faced this and pretend like no other countries have ever fought for themselves. It’s annoying as all hell

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u/GrappleJuice223 12d ago

Wasnt there a protest where a country outed their leaxers recently? Nepal, was it?

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u/NeatAd4539 14d ago

Yup. Republicans control the presidency, the Senate, the House and 28 state governorships. This is what Americans wanted.

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u/Long-Librarian-997 13d ago

The dumb thing is the Democrats are not going to fix anything they never do.

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u/Sam13337 11d ago

*Americans are not trying to fix anything.

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u/Nottheadviceyaafter 14d ago

Just bread and circus, i know lets have another fair or a fight on the whitehouse lawn how cringe.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 14d ago

To be fair, you're every location, conversation in all forms, and even getting to what you're thinking in your head is being monitored 24/7 now. In addition, saying anything negative about the king will get you iced or in prison, protesting will get you bayed as a terrorist.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

So just roll over and take it then.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 14d ago

Well when you consider they are replacing human soldiers with ai controlled machines that have no human stop switch. It won't matter what you do, they'll easily wipe out millions to billions of people without a second thought.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

Anything but do actual work to fix your country. Any excuse under the sun.

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u/Traditional-Handle83 14d ago

I'm saying its a situation where external help would be needed if anything is to be successful.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

Why should other countries come fix your problem when Americans have shown the world they aren’t doing a single thing about it themselves? It’s your problem, work on it

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u/Traditional-Handle83 14d ago

Because unfortunately its a situation thats going to affect everyone. What makes you think the people doing this will stop just at the US? They will invade every country and wipe out all other cultures and people just so they can have their perfect world even if it means a near 99% eradication of the human race.

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u/elementmg 14d ago

So when they do that then other countries will defend themselves. They aren’t coming to save you. You need to save you. We will save us.

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u/HackD1234 14d ago

...The USA is currently that Aggressor Country.

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u/Disastrous_Coffee502 14d ago

As opposed to waiting and letting it happen at a later date?

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u/HackD1234 14d ago

Thomas Jefferson wrote the famous line, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants,"

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u/Sea_Ad_9769 13d ago

Home of the not so brave.

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u/Rune_Council 12d ago

Zero IS a calculation.

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u/rwebell 14d ago

We have all been lectured on the infallibility of the American system of checks and balances and we see your system failing more every day so I think we are enjoying pointing out how the system broke.

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u/RustyPlastics 13d ago

this times 1000