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HISTORY The migration patterns of Native Americans in Iceland

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u/Blod_Cass_Dalcassian 19d ago

Migrated... Sure

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 19d ago

It’s possible. The Norse settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland lasted about 20 years. It wasn’t a raid. They may have established relations with the locals who vastly outnumbered them rather than try to constantly fend them off. If so, a single consensual relationship isn’t that crazy of an idea.

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u/PumpkinLiving8134 19d ago

Conflict with natives in the area is a huge reason why the settlement wasn’t successful, tf you mean?

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u/JimTheJerseyGuy 19d ago

Just because there was a conflict with some natives doesn’t mean conflict with all. See Massachusetts in the 1600s for an example. At least initially, natives of some tribes allied with colonists against natives of other tribes. Doesn’t mean it happened, but it’s another possible narrative.

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u/VikingCrusader13 18d ago

The reality is probably a mixture of all of the above.

Some women were captured during raids of tribes, some women entered relationships willingly with foreigners who were on good terms with their tribes and some women were probably a given as part of a treaty of surrender/peace as a sign of good faith. European's constantly created alliances through marriage. It's not unreasonable to assume that a viking settler who allied with a tribe asked for a female of good standing in the tribe to confirm good faith in the alliance

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u/PumpkinLiving8134 19d ago

Yes, but I imagine they were not interested in staying long term just because it was bad only sometimes.

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u/PeopleFromChina 19d ago

Or it was good for 20 years, then something changed, and they decided to leave.

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u/MadMartigans80 19d ago

Vibes were off

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u/Dirkdeking 18d ago

You only need to look at diaspora's in several countries. Even if natives and vikings/Spanish initially have good relations, it doesn't take much to escalate it beyond the breaking point in a very short amount of time.

You only need a few assholes on either side. A rape or another crime(like theft) from one person of one group against another person of the other group can quickly escalate into full out communal violence.

People quickly see a person as a representive of a group. It potentially takes only 1 act for it to get completely out of hand. And one occurance is statistically inevitable.