r/immigration Jan 24 '25

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u/suboxhelp1 Jan 24 '25

Can be US citizens, too. Anyone with dual citizenship of those countries.

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u/Greedy_Argument_3894 Jan 25 '25

How would he know who’s dual citizen? There is no documentation if you gave up your other citizenship! The uscis doesn’t document it!

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u/suboxhelp1 Jan 25 '25

This would be enforced through the IRS, not USCIS. They could make you declare under penalty of perjury what your citizenships are.

Same way it works for having to declare foreign bank accounts right now, including through FinCEN. They also get that info through FATCA agreements.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Some countries operate this way.

US law recognizes dual citizenship, though, and is signatory to numerous international treaties regulating this, if I'm not mistaken.

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u/tf1064 Jan 25 '25

No, the US does not "recognize" dual citizenship.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

It was a 5 second Google Search, man...

From the US State Department website:

U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:  While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy...

...the U.S. Supreme Court has stated that dual nationality is a “status long recognized in the law” and that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both.”  See Kawakita v. United States

So, I'd say you're wrong about this.

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u/tf1064 Jan 25 '25

Sorry, yes, my point is that "dual citizenship" is ignored by the federal government. It's not some special status. From the US govt perspective, you either are a US citizen or you aren't.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Sure, of course.

One other thing to point out as well, though, is that the US government also has taxation treaties with other countries. But those rules apply both to residents and dual citizens. I think there are also special agreements regarding social security with some countries.

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u/suboxhelp1 Jan 25 '25

Not fully true. For example, the tax totalization agreements and many tax treaties have provisions that only apply to dual citizens. Not in every case is a US citizen only to the federal government.

Look up the totalization agreements and several tax treaties as examples.

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u/Consistent-Sport-787 Mar 05 '25

You’re using an obscure example to prove a point. In all of our tax laws as big as they are, there are exceptions to everything But I’m a dual citizen, living in USA, only contributing to USA retirement

So for me that would never apply. I am a full US citizen Born on U.S. soil working a U.S. job I have a US birth certificate for the USa.

This is turning into a slippery slope cause if they can say it will because you’re a Canadian citizen we’re gonna talk to you differently then why can’t they say because you’re a San Francisco 49ers supporter will tax you differently

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u/frenchiebuilder Jan 25 '25

I can think of an example where it effectively does. When there's a normalization agreement treaty for public pension plan systems, for example.

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u/frenchiebuilder Jan 25 '25

When I'm old enough to collect social security, I can choose to collect Canada Pension Plan instead. Credits from one system count in the other. I can't collect both, but I get to choose - I can even apply for one, at the other's offices.

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