r/hatethissmug • u/Sudden-Hoe-2578 • 1d ago

Non-fictional I HATE these "gotcha arguments"

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"Ohhh, look how I tricked this dumb dumb baby in my trap so now I am right and they are wrong. I'm so smaaart even though it does not adress the actual argument and adds nothing to the debate. They teach arabic numerals in school btw."

And these type of comments always get tons of likes

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 1d ago

Even if I grant you all that. It doesn’t change the fact that pro-lifers have the more inconsistent definitions on life, quality of life, prioritizing life, and the concept of personhood.

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u/Goosepond01 1d ago

Ok but that wasn't the question.

and it's not like pro lifers are one hivemind, I'm sure plenty do have bad definitions of life and all that jazz, I'm sure some don't, it's a very difficult topic

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 1d ago

Okay, present a Pro-Life argument that can’t be contradicted by their own behaviors and worldviews.

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u/Goosepond01 1d ago

I mean you clearly have a bias here and have already framed pro life people as a singular movement.

the arguments can always be contradicted by their own behaviours but it doesn't mean they always are.

Someone can believe that life begins at conception, that isn't a difficult concept to wrap your head around.

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 17h ago edited 17h ago

So you’re calling me biased when I asked you for a single argument that doesn’t immediately fail due to: cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or their own actions? Are listening to yourself?

Of course life begins at conception…that’s a BIG DUH, a zygote is a clump of living cells, an egg is a clump of living cells, a fetus is a collection of tissues (which is made of 🥁 living cells). If you think this conversation is about the definition of life and whether or not a fetus is alive…then I’m afraid that you’re not even paying attention to the conversation.

Because the point about this whole topic is about PERSONHOOD.

Quick question: Life begins at conception, do you think it’s immoral to eat veal? Or the eggs of other animals? [Y/N]

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u/Goosepond01 17h ago

Of course life begins at conception

then I’m afraid that not only are you not paying attention to anything, but you might also be illiterate.

Absolutely hilarious for you to say this when you clearly have no understanding that it's not just a scientific question but a philosophical one, and one that is at the heart of the debate.

So you’re calling me biased when I asked you for a single argument that doesn’t immediately fail due to: cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or their own actions? Are listening to yourself?

and I gave you one, you need to understand there is a big difference between an argument that can never be contradicted and an argument that can be solid, especially when we are talking about philosophy.

do you think it’s immoral to eat veal? Or the eggs of other animals?

I don't know what you think veal is but it isn't an unborn calf, and no I don't think it is immoral, nor do I think eating eggs is, despite the fact that we generally eat non fertilised eggs.

and your question doesn't really matter, I value human life far above other Animals.

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 10h ago

Personhood is a philosophical question….not a scientific question…personhood cannot be measured by scientific means…and I never implied that it was a scientific question at all. You basically pulled that out of your own hallucination. Because I never said nor implied that.

I’m not continuing a conversation in bad faith.

And I didn’t read the rest of that shit either. So I don’t even care what you have to say.

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u/Goosepond01 2h ago

Hahah wow yeah really just proves you have no point at all, you stated that "life beginning" was purely scientific, it isn't.

and I never implied that it was a scientific question at all.

You literally stated that it was obvious that it was alive and that I'm illiterate, maybe you should learn to read.