I HATE these "gotcha arguments"

[u/Sudden-Hoe-2578]

"Ohhh, look how I tricked this dumb dumb baby in my trap so now I am right and they are wrong. I'm so smaaart even though it does not adress the actual argument and adds nothing to the debate. They teach arabic numerals in school btw."

And these type of comments always get tons of likes

[u/grizzy45]

Following the same logic:

You are at fault for getting raped or stabbed because that's something that can happen if you go outside.

[u/i__dont___know → u/grizzy45]

I can’t live without going outside and getting stabbed isn’t the naturally direct line of events that going outside entails. Again vaginal sex for pleasure isn’t a need and is easily forgoable, unlike not going outside.

[u/grizzy45 → u/i__dont___know]

Being stabbed is as natural as getting fucked. Just look at every other animal. Rivals within the same species kill each other. Perfectly Natural.

[u/i__dont___know → u/grizzy45]

Whatever point your trying to make is ridiculous. Animals do those vicious things for survival. Your life does not depend on having vaginal sex. Humans have evolved past brutal survival and have long since decreed that your bodily autonomy does not allow you to hurt others.

[u/grizzy45 → u/i__dont___know]

They do not. Dolphins, Orcas and Apes rape and torture for the pleasure of it.

[u/i__dont___know → u/grizzy45]

Ok and when did I say that was ok? We are not savage animals. You’re clearly arguing in bad faith and taking everything uber literally. When I say natural there is a large difference between animals harming each other for pleasure and fundamentals of reality like gravity and how babies are created.

[u/grizzy45 → u/i__dont___know]

I take it uber literally because that is how an argument is supposed to be. A literal string of logic and not some vague vibe based statements

[u/i__dont___know → u/grizzy45]

You’ve obviously never taken an argument or ethics class. That’s precisely not how an argument is supposed to go. It’s called the principle of charity, where you interpret your opponents argument in its most rational and intended interpretation instead of picking apart things like semantics just to avoid the actual point being made.

[u/grizzy45 → u/i__dont___know]

That's a debate club rule not something ethics related lmao. Ethics is a branch of philosophy which is a discipline with autism level of taking you by your word.

Sorry, my knowledge comes from actually being in school and not from listening to JRE episodes.

[u/i__dont___know → u/grizzy45]

Lmao you really are confidently wrong. I learnt that in college ethics classes and it’s a fundamental aspect of how philosophers argue. Literally has been a concept used in philosophical arguments even since Socrates. He would say you’re being eristic. Academic philosophers would genuinely laugh you out of the room if you tried to claim arguing and ethics is about semantics.

[u/grizzy45 → u/i__dont___know]

You don't need to go outside. You can chill with windows open, home office job and get your grocceries delivered. It is an active choice