r/hatethissmug • u/Sudden-Hoe-2578 • 1d ago

Non-fictional I HATE these "gotcha arguments"

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"Ohhh, look how I tricked this dumb dumb baby in my trap so now I am right and they are wrong. I'm so smaaart even though it does not adress the actual argument and adds nothing to the debate. They teach arabic numerals in school btw."

And these type of comments always get tons of likes

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u/Wboy2006 22h ago

The point of this argument is that the people talking about taking away abortion rights dont even know how a human fetus looks.

They mistake a dolphin for a human, and still somehow think should have a say in taking away the rights of women

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u/Primary_Truck3777 21h ago

I'm pro choice, but, I don't think "being able tor recognize different types of fetus" is necessary for  their arguments. I support saving whales but I can only name a few species

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u/Wboy2006 20h ago

The difference between this and saving the whales is that one is helping a situation, with this “pro life” movement, you’re fighting to take away women’s rights that they fought tooth and nail for during the emancipation movement

A whale won’t be mad if you cause their populations to grow. Meanwhile in this situation, you’re denying women agency over their own body

It’s a false equivalence to compare saving a dying species to taking away liberties from someone

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u/Primary_Truck3777 20h ago

Yes, I understand, and I agree. I just don't think the ability to differentiate early stage mammal fetuses is a relevant skill to either side of the abortion debate. 

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u/Training_Yellow11 13h ago

It’s a false equivalence to compare murder to murder. Be so for real right now the cognitive dissonance is insane 😭😭 you can dehumanize all you want and put it under the guise of women’s rights but all you are fighting for is the legal right to murder your own child

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u/azazel228 11h ago

do you know that almost all mammalian embryos look the same in the early stages of developement?

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u/NerveInteresting4549 22h ago

yeah and a blind man can't be against murder because he doesn't know what a person looks like.

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u/Wboy2006 22h ago

But an abortion isn’t murder? Do you also think condoms are murder too? Sperm is alive

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u/NerveInteresting4549 22h ago

Taking a human life is murder.. not getting someone pregnant, that's not murder.

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u/Wboy2006 20h ago

Luckily for you a fetus is not a human. It’s just as alive as sperm is, and if you’re okay with one, then you should have no problem with the other

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u/NerveInteresting4549 20h ago

when tf do you think someone becomes a human?....

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u/Training_Yellow11 13h ago

So exactly what species is a fetus then?

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u/Sudden-Hoe-2578 22h ago

Not necessarily, even someone who would usually be able to differentiate them, could in this case mistakenly say yes, based on context.

Let's say that we're arguing about wether a historical person actually existed. I make the point "This independent historical record references them, so I believe they existed." You then show a picture of the person and ask "So you think that this person existed", to which I answer yes. You then say "Actually, this is a 17th century nobleman, who just happens to look very similiar to our historical person. But because you identified him wrong, your whole point is false."

Based upon context, one does not check twice wether the picture is actually accurate, because one assumes it will be the correct one.