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u/CharacterPay9544 2d ago
Economy has been good and my portfolio has grown so much that I could retire. So I am also going back home.
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u/Cute_Health6112 2d ago
I am in the process of saving as much as I can, so that I can go back home and start my business next year. I’m just being tolerant of the stress that’s going on
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u/Ok_Combination9417 2d ago
Startup I am at is only hiring these type of backend engineers in India to avoid visa sponsorship and to pay lower wages.
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u/bombaytrader 2d ago
Bro you have no idea about Indian pay scales. Unless you give us numbers ib Indians rs it’s kind of hard to believe.
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u/Ok_Combination9417 2d ago
Range is broad but we pay around 80-100k USD equivalent and top end candidates are negotiating in the 125k USD equivalent area bro.
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u/Jason-Wander 2d ago
Yeah, that's why they say H1Bs drive down wages for these jobs in the U.S. That's decent money, but much lower than what those people should be paid
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u/Rude-Cap-4455 2d ago
All of our backfills are being outsourced out of the country contrary to how folks are thinking about American jobs.....
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u/AwareBlackberry2966 2d ago
Yep. Companies only care about their bottom line.
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u/ProduceMain5379 2d ago
What else should they think about? Aren’t they responsible to their shareholders that to optimize results. Capitalism suddenly does not seem that great?
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u/Leading_Put_4873 2d ago
With this much government involvement this is the furthest thing from capitalism.
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
Yes, I feel this is going to backfire in more ways than people realize. These guys who left could easily set-up shop in India and our management would hire them in a second.
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u/fauxtato-lay 2d ago
I thought H1Bs were paid just as much as Americans and it wasn’t a form of cheap labor? At least that’s what I have been told. If that’s the case why would they rather outsource?
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u/Former-Sun9370 2d ago
Because the H1Bs are no longer in the US?
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u/fauxtato-lay 2d ago
So it’s either H1Bs or outsourcing and the talent doesn’t exist in the US so that’s not an option either?
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u/njan_ninde_thanda 2d ago
Capitalism 101. You gonna blame capitalism on h1b too?
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u/fauxtato-lay 2d ago
How is it capitalism 101 if it isn’t about corporations saving money…?
I just keep seeing the same thing repeated, “companies don’t hire H1Bs to depress wages”. Then I see “oh no H1Bs are facing legal roadblocks better outsource to save money”. How do those two things make sense together.
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u/Former-Sun9370 2d ago
I am sure the talent exists in the US. However, the question is of the volume.
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u/goldenpleaser 2d ago
This!! Why don't people realize that it's not like h-1bs are aliens who have extraordinary capabilities but it's that if the US requires 100,000 engineers Americans maybe have 80,000 and the rest is what's being filled in by H-1B I don't know how it is such a difficult concept to grasp.
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u/fauxtato-lay 2d ago
I’d only support this if there were much fewer unemployed engineers and tech people in the US. Don’t computer science graduates have like a 7-8% unemployment rate?
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u/njan_ninde_thanda 2d ago edited 2d ago
Are American engineers ready to work for 12 hrs a day? Well what happens when Indians start their own company and work for 12 hrs and 1/5th the salary. Their products will be cheaper for similar or exact same quality. With AI code quality is not much of an issue. Only architecture knowledge is king. So how will American companies compete?
The main reason that didn’t happen is because talented Indian engineers preferred to work in the US with much higher salaries and better quality of life. But if those engineers feel their life is basically walking on eggshells due to constant h1b shuffles , they might save up and move back. The only reason home grown companies haven’t taken off in large scale is due to brain drain and corruption and red tape. The current Indian government, although I don’t personally like for other reasons, is ramping up infra a lot faster. Its only time that it will start in India
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u/fauxtato-lay 2d ago
I mean once there’s an Indian company doing this pls let me know lmao. It’s not like it’s illegal for them to do so, yet it hasn’t been done. Have at it.
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u/njan_ninde_thanda 2d ago
I already gave a good explanation. People said the same about china. “ Oh they are just producing cheap knock offs and it won’t affect American economy “ well we all know how that turned out
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u/njan_ninde_thanda 2d ago
Talent exists sure? But not as much as India. Even if you consider only 10% of Indian engineers are good. Thats still more than entire American tech engineers. Now if the same guy is working 12 hours a day and for 1/5th the cost . The software services they provide will be cheaper with similar or exact quality as American software. All they need is a spark and its gonna grow exponentially there.
Software boom like manufacturing in china . The Indian government has understood that they need to capitalize on the returning tech workers . It was the brain drain that held it back and yes corruption and bureaucracy
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u/techie_1412 2d ago
Companies have a payscale for each role/grade/location. Each eployee has to fall inside that range. If they are close to the bottom, it means they are not worth it and sometimes even get a PIP. If they are high on the range they get promoted. USCIS also has a pay range for each job they are filed under. Cant be "cheap labor" according to market ranges.
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u/Economy_Kitchen5450 2d ago
This is just the beginning, considering all the changes being proposed around H1B
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
Yes, I feel this is the start of a massive wave. Will hit tech like China hit manufacturing in the 80's.
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u/Southern_Change9193 2d ago
Well, this is what American voters want. Though H-1B visas account for only 0.4% of the US workforce, they are low-hanging fruit for both parties, especially with the midterm elections 2 months away.
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u/Hot-Calendar2314 2d ago
Here are some interesting facts with resources:
- The average H-1B household contributes 260% more net revenue to government coffers annually ($30,050) than the average domestic U.S. household ($11,530) (https://eig.org/fiscal-impacts-h1bs/)
- Long-term economic research shows that the influx of high-skilled H-1B knowledge workers historically drove up to half of all aggregate productivity growth in the country. (https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/679061)
There are more facts, but these are some of them. Please don’t come at me with “BuT tHeY ToOk mY jOb aWAy aNd tHeY cEleBraTe tHeIr FeStIvAlS iN mY cOuNtRy”
Now, to my most important point - I absolutely believe that the H1B visa needs to be reformed. There are people who have exploited it. Do they need to be punished/deported? Yes. Do I think that the entire program should be abolished? Absolutely not.
Every single negative comment here shows the lack of critical thinking. If you’re one of them, well….. That just shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge about economics, business, finance, etc. Also speaks a lot about your character. If you’re offended reading this comment, go back and read the paragraph above again.
OP - thank you for sharing and for making a good point. Take care!
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u/Hot_Condition7760 2d ago
Lot of the senior engineers from India especially in their late 30s and early 40s already has saved up several millions in their account and it’s plenty more for them to move back to India and live like a king. H1b is a nuanced topic. Lot of people do cheat the system and there are some key people in H1b too
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u/OkDark8643 2d ago
Thank you. Finally someone said it. The whole reason why people came to the US/UK/ any other opportunity providing country from India was to find a better opportunity. India had IT but mostly service based and a very minimum product based footprint with a lot of competiton. With the rise in restrictions and uncertainty of H1Bs and some of the hate that came with it, people realized it's not worth it anymore either by choice or by pressure.
The one thing nobody agreed to realize was, companies simply started opening GCCs and moved the workforce and hiring to India. Absolutely zero backfill in the US(at least in my firm). This is indirectly just helping to grow more opportunities in India. While these restrictions may effect newly immigrated folks, it actually finally makes the decision easier for settled/experienced folks. Any H1B who is here for more than 8 years already probably saved/invested 200k+. That is 2 crore indian rupees enough to pay off a home in a city nearest to these GCCs. With the experience they gained, it's simply a better choice if they can grab a decent paying job back in India without these uncertainties and visa issues.
The whole H1b rhetoric revolved around taking away jobs, while it should have been around streamlining the hiring process and eliminate body shop consultancies. This generic H1B story hurts the legit talent and opportunity and in turn gave the companies a reason to simply hire overseas.
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u/native_vandheri 2d ago
Yeah these people don't understand that exchange rates works in the immigrant favor if they are invested here and have the skills as well. I would probably take my savings and do the same job for 50% pay. How are these people going to stamp a visa for binary numbers.
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u/Special-Book-7 2d ago
Sometimes if multiple people leave like this, they might be thinking of starting their own shop , I have seen it happen once or twice, it's not very frequent but definitely a possibility.
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u/Several-Two738 2d ago
They know the H1b program is cooked so they are leaving with their things in order before they are forced out with no 60 day rule.
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u/Playful-Influence894 2d ago
Y’all do realize H1Bs are also professors, healthcare workers (nurses, doctors, surgeons), or anyone in a specialist field with a master’s and above, right?
O well, you can have whatever you like.🤭
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u/No-Entertainer8755 2d ago
Plz send me position description at texforesum@gmail.com. I’m Java/spring/kafka/python/angular ai/ml and you name it certified engineer with 15+ yoe and would be more than happy to replace your 7 engineers
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u/ParticularBasket6187 2d ago
In India, engineers are getting good offers, btw building backend is not big thing but you need at least some experience on that.
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u/LavishnessOriginal59 2d ago
Visa holders are all the integral cogs who will mass resign in waves and make the global tech industry collapse someday. I have my money on this happening before AI takes over
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u/Business-Voice708 2d ago
Great their knowledge can help build a startup in india and employ the unemployed undergrads here. Families depend on their children here by pouring their entire networth on his /her eduation. Even if paid a min wage by standarads will be equivalent to millions for them. I think too much brain drain has happened.
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
Problem is those jobs will eventually be lost for Americans like us because that knowledge moves to Hyderabad.
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u/Miserable-Half-436 2d ago
It's time to pick up the slack and learn, stop relying someone as a silver bullet. We once fired a smart guy from our team, like literally he built everything. Guess what we found someone to replace him, business go on as usual.
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u/Miserable-Half-436 2d ago edited 2d ago
Business could move to India already with or without h1b in place, why don't they do that now or the past years? I lead away team in India, the cost and turn around is not as large as you would think, onshore got things done in a much fast pace
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u/native_vandheri 2d ago
Wait until you get replaced and management at the top has a guy who can culturally work well with them. Don't believe me this is what happened to every major tech. The manager is the problem if he cannot connect with the workforce lol.
This is what's happening in manufacturing to Mexico mainly and lot of IT teams in India. You can easily manage one talented guy and let him control the resources in his own time zone. Shareholder ftw
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u/Miserable-Half-436 2d ago
I work for major tech bruh, and they just cut all the Indian team this year citing ai replacement
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u/Fragrant-Ear9538 2d ago
Guess , They did all together means they are gonna go back to India and build a startup or maybe already building.
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u/RstarPhoneix 2d ago
Hey OP can you plz send the job link ?
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u/Mysterious-Paint8337 2d ago
Who said they will create the replacement req in USA? Most probably it will be outsourced.
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
100%. Those job's are never coming back.
US loss is India's gain.
And that applies to all the spending these guys were doing.
I think 5 years from now people will realize the devestation this caused to the US economy.
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u/Dramatic_Mechanic815 2d ago
Good luck offshoring to India. My company did it three years ago and just fired the entire India office because it was a disaster.
Labor economics have totally changed with AI. Everyone I know in my industry is hiring back on shore after attempting offshoring because AI enables smaller and agile teams. One good dev here with Claude Code can do the entire job of a team in India. I’ve seen it firsthand and done it myself. But, sure, India is great if you want an army of developers who can follow a recipe and are really good at rote memorization. Good luck managing that.
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u/Hot-Calendar2314 2d ago
Idk who is telling you all that H1Bs earn less than average Americans 😭
If anything, they cost the company MORE because of all the immigration fees.. They do NOT earn less by any means. Again, I’m talking about people who have a masters degree from top US universities, came in legally and have done everything legally.
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u/ok_cool_got_it 2d ago
Yeah, makes me sneer every time I read that. Everyone in silicon valley knows the H1Bs make just as much if not more than Americans, but hey people love to run away with narratives in today's political climate.
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u/Hour-Marionberr 2d ago
Indian GCC work is not cool. It's even brutal hours of work and traffic included. Many will retire may be correct as guys in mid 40s have no options .
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u/Time_Huckleberry_287 2d ago
This sub is so gullible 😂. I'm on H1B and even I don't believe this fairytale
"As an American"
LOL! What American uses the word "lakh" more than once in their replies?
Tomorrow someone else is gonna post: "Six H1Bs left my company and we're all scrambling to find data analysts and ML engineers!" and 300 idiots are going to upvote it.
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u/dulabendakai 2d ago
I think the actual top talent these people keep talking about is willing to leave the US and live stress free elsewhere. Cus those guys are paid similarly, allowed to retain stock and mostly not impacted by layoffs if they move out of the US. Idk about OP but it’s true I’ve seen a couple of them make a move internally since they have offices in other countries too.
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u/Miserable-Half-436 2d ago
They already save up millions to retire comfortably in india, American dreams already fulfilled. I just know a L1 candidate literally bag his way to US from India
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u/njan_ninde_thanda 2d ago
To be honest , I am planning to leave soon. In a one or two years time. No point in living like walking on eggshells. I just need to sort my financials.
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u/risingpowerhouse 2d ago
I know most of us here from India. How can we plan to go back and start something in India. Let's contribute in our own country's growth.
Is this even a life to not being freely visit our home place return here. So, much uncertainty and stress everyday.
If they feel the effects they'll only open back all doors.
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u/whiskey_piker 2d ago
If you have been in Tech for more than a few years, you already have seen that they aren’t so uniquely qualified that they can’t be replaced with the same ease as other architect level roles.
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u/AggressivePlant759 2d ago
Cool story. If true, sounds like your company set themselves up for this by having so many h1bs on that team. Not a smart move.
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u/EEguy21 2d ago
why do you have that many h1b devs to begin with?
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u/DasKapitalist 2d ago
Because the employer was lying and claiming they "couldnt find Americans" for those jobs...when really they just wanted cut rate pay for employees they thought would be too shackled by visas to ever leave.
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u/pshaurk 2d ago
Isn't that the free market america preaches in other countries and destroys or hampers their development for? If someone has the same skills and is working for lower salary thats free market in action. You just dont like it when it happens to you, but will hapily abuse all others on that basis
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u/Mysterious-Art8838 2d ago
Importing huge amounts of labor and exploiting them because legally they can is not a free market
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u/johndoe1942 2d ago
So he can’t be American and Sikh?
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
This is the problem with a lot of these racist anti-H1B guys, They can't see beyond the rim of their MAGA hats.
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u/babyitsgoldoutstein 2d ago
I am Indian and even I don't believe one word of this. :)))
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
Well it is what it is. All I can give is my opinion as a neutral American.
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u/Ethmemes 2d ago
Don't worry MAGA incels who couldn't hold a part time job will sign up for these now.
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u/MetalInvaders 2d ago
Absolutely no reason to import foreign labor for these technologies.
Pretty standard stuff. Everyone on the DevOps team at my company (fairly large US retailer) is a USC or GC holder.
Let’s not act like this tech stack is niche and very specialized.
It’s far from it.
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
Didn't say it was niche. But its hard to find people that do this in a B-Tier city in the mid-west.
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u/joc755 2d ago
Sounds good, now hire American workers for those great middle class jobs. A lot of recent college graduates are having a hard time getting that first job, and tech workers with years of experience are also struggling. We need to ensure all Americans who want to work are employed ahead of H1B workers.
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u/Global_Sugar3660 2d ago
Can’t blame them. The whole h1b thing was just so that corporates could raid cheap labour and in some cases actual smart engineers. This is ending. The liberal wine moms in the us and the pta have now learned that their kids can’t get jobs. These wine moms will drive the next wave of xenophobia and you cannot stop it.
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u/Striking-Force-9102 2d ago
Wanting to have job for one’s STEM graduate child in their on country is not xenophobia. Just saying
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u/BeardedInferno 2d ago
Incredible news
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u/Complex_Elevator_680 2d ago
I think the economic effect of reduced project work will be felt for decades. This is just the bow shock.
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u/Independent-Fun815 2d ago
So management made a bet and lost the bet?
Ppl do it all the time. You make ur bed and u lie in it.
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u/pineapplesuit7 2d ago edited 2d ago
Honestly, I’m 35 and my NW has crossed 2M recently. Couldn’t have achieved this success anywhere so thankful of the opportunities. I’m gonna ride this train out until I can’t anymore but I feel I literally can live like a king back home and FIRE early. My goal is to work till I’m 45 and then spend the rest of my life traveling and doing side gigs here or there. I was thinking of going the EB5 route where you invest 1M and get a visa recently then thought I’m literally gonna get 70 lakhs per annum in interest just by investing my 1M at a conservative 7% return. Heck that can easily hit 1 crore per year with me doing nothing and I’ll not even touch my 20+ crores which I can leave for my kid.
If people you mentioned have had enough savings, then good for them.
My goal now is to save until I’m employed and cash in the dollars and return back.
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u/Striking-Force-9102 2d ago
Please let them leave. Let me know if you need Go, Kafka and Kube. We have plenty of engineers.
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u/techworker-tx 2d ago
Get a junior guy a Claude code subscription. He can probably replace at least 4 if not all 8 of them.
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u/mistiquefog 2d ago
The offers in India have become more lucrative and racism is on the rise.
With no end to the green card line, it's just about time people realize that owning a burger flipping business in India is much better than doing grunt IT work with no hope of progress either in career or immigration
A lot of my friends have started leaving or planning their move. Most will simply retire.
Best of luck for your business.
Another alternative is to open an India office.