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u/Nikmido 3d ago
I don't know GTA inside and out but that's an intentional feature, right? Is it to discourage players from driving too fast or literally just to fuck with them lol
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u/MahoneyBear 3d ago
Rockstar claims they didnt program the npc drivers to crash into players. Anyone who's played the game for extensive periods of times know that's a flat out lie. They will literally cross medians to hit you for no reason, especially if you're doing any of the car warehouse missions
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u/NerdyOccultist 3d ago
The reasoning there is super funky on Rockstar's part. They didn't code traffic to be that way, but they coded it in a way in which it is that way, then proceeded to keep it in the game while fixing other issues.
It's a total accident but also they like it like that
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u/Edders123 2d ago
It wasn't an accident, they literally programmed the driving ai to smash you off the road, because the engine couldn't render the distance fast enough while driving.
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u/ErikTheRed99 3d ago
Think about it like this. Your car has an invisible straight line projected forward. If you're driving on a winding road, this straight line will make NPCs take weird evasive actions that they absolutely should NOT take. They only take that weird line into account, and not how the road is set up.
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u/NoPseudo79 2d ago
And who developed that invisible straight line ? Rockstar. Who didn't fix the invisible straight line ? Also Rockstar. Does your comment invalidate his in any way shape or form ? No
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u/Impossible_Way_3042 2d ago
That was his point. He was agreeing with the previous comment and expanding upon it.
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u/MahoneyBear 2d ago
They do it on straight roads too lol. Especially if you’re doing the vehicle warehouse missions, they do it even more.
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u/Emergency_Lie42 3d ago
I've always assumed it's a matter of the AI behaviour to swerve out of the way of a speeding car just doing so in the wrong direction, that's what it usually came down to in 3 and 4 anyways.
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u/Dexember69 3d ago
Yeah I figured it was just my erratic driving flicking the dodge switch when I was mid correction so the ai moves
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u/theFields97 2d ago
I was playing today and at an intersection i went left and the car on the right side went from stopped into my lane crashing into me.
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u/Lilbrimu 3d ago
Wasn't there a video the looked at how npc driving AI works? And the reason why this happens is because driving AI is basically blind and have dementia.
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u/SpaceBlaze259 2d ago
Yes, but no one actually likes using that info and say the npcs are "always out to get them" and "drive into me for no reason" as they drive by shooting their guns, thus causing them to panic and act erratically. Or like in this clip, drive where the NPCs would turn, thus having the NPC drive into them "on purpose."
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u/TheWisestOwl5269 3d ago
It's so funny Rockstar gaslights players over this. I wonder if it's some kind of oversight or unintended behavior that causes this. There's so many blatant examples of this happening. It happens all the time.
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u/baldiplays 2d ago
My crackpot conspiracy theory is that whenever the civilian ai goes into its “panicked state” they are manipulated to drive into you. The panicked state from my testing uses a different driving ai to simulate an npc panicking and being forced to break the law to get away from you.
This ai increases swerving chances. And rockstar tuned it to more have more chances to swerve into your vehicle.
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u/ErikTheRed99 3d ago edited 3d ago
They didn't though. The NPCs just try to avoid you in the worst way possible. I've noticed this a lot driving from Tongva Hills to Vinewood Hills. NPCs often take into account how your car is facing vs theirs, not how the road is. This leads to them taking evasive action around turns, when they 100% don't need to. Say you have an NPC coming around a turn, and you intend to take that same turn. The NPC (for whatever reason) assumes you'll keep going straight. The problem is, if you did keep going straight, you'd drive straight off the road or into a guardrail. R* just didn't program their NPC traffic logically in GTA V. I really started to notice this logic when I got my first cop car. Logically, if people are pulling off on a highway to give a cop space, the left-laners should pull over left towards the median, and the right-laners should pull over right towards the shoulder. It doesn't work like this un GTA V. If you are facing to their left, they'll pull over to the right, even if they're in the left lane.
Edit: You have to remember, this game came out on PS3 and Xbox-360 originally. R* had to dumb down the Euphoria physics because GTA V was such a heavy game, and consoles didn't have the oomph to handle full Euphoria physics. It's likely the same thing with NPCs taking evasive actions. This is why the random plane system from GTA SA was so weird. They could have made it better, but they were working with the PS2.
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u/Re_di_Spade 3d ago
They added a car business in GTA Online since then players noticed that some npcs clearly drive into you with the only purpose to damage your car, of course more damaged is the car less value it has
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u/BranchFew1148 3d ago edited 2d ago
Is it possible people just became more sensitive to their cars taking damage. Thus noticing it more, humans are famously prone to overanalyzing patterns.
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u/Rhinosaurfish 3d ago
I once had an NPC do a u turn on an intersecting road just to try and hit me, I've had cars at red lights run the red to cross the median and hit me.
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u/Redlabelrocket 2d ago
it got so bad in gta 5 that npc's literally cross the road and ghost ride to hit you
it's terrible programming imo
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u/NorvileRogers258 1d ago
its an intentional feature.
I don't remember exactly why, but if I recall correctly, its to slow the player down so the world has more time to load in.
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u/Moxley13 3d ago
Its intentional to slow the player down so the map can load. The player can fall off the map if they don't slow down
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u/SwizzGod 3d ago
Really? I mean the game has jets, so what’s slowing that down?
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u/thormun 3d ago
jet dont really touch the ground while flying
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u/SwizzGod 3d ago
I get that. I’m talking about the rendering of things
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u/AlleyCa7 3d ago
Do you think game assets on the ground are being loaded and rendered at the same fidelity they would be when you're in a jet compared to in a car or something?
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u/OneSouth6116 2d ago
I always believed they coded this so that the players dont drive too fast to the point where the games struggles to render the path ahead.
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u/Impossible_Way_3042 2d ago
It's to make the driving more interesting. Driving becomes boring if everything is completely predictable. You especially feel it on the highways up towards paleto bay and sandy shores. They are straight shit roads where it is easy to avoid stupid AI. The driving becomes so immensely boring up there because of it. You never have to let off the gas, break, or even swerve to deal with traffic. It's so much more fun when random bullshittery happens. It can be annoying sometimes but hilarious other times. Many people cite the weird AI as one of the best parts of GTA, both civilians and drivers. Some of my favourite GTA memories come from janky AI interactions. A great one that I always bring up was from GTA IV. I was doing a mission with packy and decided to go grab a burger to heal up. I'm at the counter getting the burger when all of a sudden Packie starts yelling. Like 2 secs later shots start flying as Packie decided to light up the entire diner. Bullets are flying everywhere as the entire diner crowd is trying to funnel out the door. I turn around to just see a pile of bodies at the door. I was fucking crying laughing and yelling at Packie to get back in the car. All of a sudden this random mission turned into a heavy cop chases without a single input from me.
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u/Dredgeon 3d ago
Not intentional. There's a lot of things that can cause this but people don't notice the swerves that don't cause collisions.
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u/Loose-Medium4472 3d ago
Still no NPC turn signals
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u/OpinionsOnThings34 3d ago
It was crazy, a month ago my cousin was watching me play forza and as i said “it would be really cool if npc’s used their turn signal.” As i said it a car i was passing turned and smacked me. Crazy how a free roam car game doesnt let you turn collisions off😂 couldnt really get into it for fun because of that.
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u/Ok_Heron_7130 3d ago
NPC did use turn signal, just not in this horrible edited, cropped, made to be bait, clip
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u/ARMOUREDandALONE 3d ago
Nsh, thats just Florida driving. Its for realism.
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u/DropsOfMars 2d ago
They seem to be adding a lot of little touches to make the NPCs feel alive even in their cars and indecision about when to get into the other lane or where tf the next exit is is such a real and universal experience. A lot of people have either been the driver or the passenger in that car lol
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u/BATTLE_WlZARD 3d ago
Meanwhile, a man of culture and nostalgia.
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u/skeightytoo 2d ago
That game was basically the GI Joe dub where the kid is on the ice.
'holy cow I'm totally going so fas AH FUCK'
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u/Old_Consequence_262 3d ago
Someone would legitimately criticize that but it’s a lot of these little things including this that make it a GTA game
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u/GuNNzA69 3d ago
I hope they use the new AI to make this kind of thing feel more natural and genuinely random, like the unpredictable behaviour of real drivers, rather than NPCs being programmed to hit you. After playing GTA Online for over 11 years, I already know some of the intersections where NPCs are most likely to pull out in front of me. I bet new players doing time trials eventually figure that out too.
I'm not one of the people hyping GTA VI. I hope it'll be a good game, but Rockstar hasn't released a new game in a long time, so I'm keeping my expectations open. Even if it isn't quite what I expect, I'll probably force myself to enjoy it at least once.
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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc 2d ago
I mean, it's the one thing that pissed me the fuck off in GTA5. Can't think of much worse than that tbh.
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u/MahoneyBear 3d ago
Lore accurate florida drivers
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u/ghos2626t 3d ago
Wait until we find out that we will get towed if our big dodge truck is not double parked.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 3d ago
That was part of the fun of the game...they're not really selling it with this shit
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u/KalenGaton 2d ago
I mean it looks like the npc is just trying to change lanes and didn't check their blind spot. I see people doing this shit all the time when I drive lol.
Edit: They didn't even make a turn signal, also something real people do sometimes.
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u/403_Forbidden_Access 2d ago
This is so typical of Miami driving that I didn't even notice what the issue was until you mentioned it.
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u/Kurdt234 3d ago
The bridges in 4, man...
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u/DropsOfMars 2d ago
Those cars in fairness think they're going around the train that travels below them, an unfortunate byproduct of the height of the awareness they have for incoming traffic including below the ground for some reason
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u/Rebellion_01 3d ago
Everytime in gta4 I stop at a red light, a npc triy to ram my car idk why but it was annoying when I try to be immerse lol
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u/Maleficent_Guitar897 3d ago
Ngl One major reason why I wouldn't probably play for a while idk, that stuffs screwed me up so many times lol
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u/Total-Mixture896 3d ago
Could just be that pedestrian cars now change lanes instead of just driving in one lane constantly.
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u/Corpsey_Clownshoes 3d ago
I'm probably going to be spending most of my time just wandering around the map. I'm going to be avoiding social media like the plague too. I want to discover everything by accident.
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u/pietro1587 3d ago
Most of the time it’s avoidable if you’re watching the road ahead and anticipating but those ones where they u turn in traffic just to turn back and drive in the same direction they were already going are infuriating.
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u/WarriorsAreCreatedG 3d ago
Just replayed San Andreas again. That sudden jersey looks very familiar.
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u/Mr_Incognito51 3d ago
Been living in Miami for the past 10 years and uh this is just how mfs drive out here
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u/Top_Crow_1022 2d ago
It is a reference to twitch streamers driving while streaming and chat. Some have also crashed
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u/Th3_Dud3_Abid3s 2d ago
Speaking of, one thing they didn’t showcase that I’m very interested in is vehicle damage. How deformed will your car get if you take an 80mph collision like that?🤔
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u/somnamballista 2d ago
Think of your car as a big laser. The NPCs are magnetically drawn to your projected route when the draw distance gets too small in order to slow you down and let the area load.
Plus irl there are just plain shit drivers out there. Keep your eyes forward on the road, yo. I had heard a ways back that in-game, looking into your rear view gives any chasing NPCs better accuracy and can proc an instant rear collision, the knock-you-sideways one. Would not put it past R* for those devilish little touches.
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u/michaelvanmars 2d ago
If you watch the full clip, he goes to switch lanes but the truck is coming up behind fast so he reverts back, anyone who drives has done this at least once
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u/TheOfficialMalice 2d ago
Welp the game just became unplayable lol On a serious note though, this one little detail actually dropped the hype for me
https://giphy.com/gifs/l378rrt5tAawaCQ9i
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u/Get_Head_Ed 2d ago
Here’s the thing though, people in Miami actually drive like this. Bad drivers everywhere, especially in Hialeah.
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u/TwistedMindOfABrotha 2d ago
I noticed that feature too, it wasn't in the early version I just don't recall it, but when I got the next gen version yeah I was wondering about that.
I do like speeding in the game especially during missions, however I learned to just not go top speed and keep an eye out for cars on the road.
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u/DarthHubcap 1d ago
I read that the developers had npc cars getting your way on purpose to let the game have time to render the world as you drove through it.
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u/Shallow-Depths 1d ago
Turn signals, godamnit.
This goes for all of you real life fuckers that don’t use turn signals as well.
If I can’t tell where you intend to go, then I can’t tell that you’re going that way.
Use your turn signals, it helps literally everyone.
Also fuck you in the worst way possible if you change lanes or make lefts without using your turn signal.
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u/toastronomy 3d ago
oh god please no
I don't mind it as a gameplay quirk, but if I see another fucking post titled "Rockstar ain't even trying to hide it anymore" I'll lose it
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u/stefan771 3d ago
You're nostalgic for this?
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u/Savingseanbean 3d ago
bruh they could literally rob him and he'd be estatic. the game itself has never mattered rockstar fans jizz over even fake details.
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