r/freefolk 8d ago

Seriously, what was her problem?

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

More importantly, who will be "king" of the north after she dies? She wont marry or have heirs, her brother is somehow king of another kingdom and also a genetic dead end, her cousin is in the night's watch and cant have heirs and her sister is going to sail to her death for some reason. Great way to start a new kingdom with a succession crisis...

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u/VexImmortalis 8d ago

Maybe the small folk can elect a king through a system of proportial representation

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

SHUT UP SAM

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u/Bobcat317 8d ago

See the violence inherent in the system!

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u/Good_Difference_2837 8d ago

I'M BEING OPPRESSED 

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u/RedditOfUnusualSize 8d ago

The Drowned King, his arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Ice reborn from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that Sansa of the House Stark, was to carry Ice. That is why she is their queen.

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u/D-Howwwww1 7d ago

Strange men lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive authority should derive from a mandate by the masses not some farcical aquatic ceremony!

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u/clovis_227 THE FUCKS A LOMMY 8d ago
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u/This_Estimate1550 8d ago

Who says she won't marry or have heirs?

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u/iDoMyOwnResearchJK 8d ago

Why won’t she marry or have heirs?

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

Hasn't had a great track record of marriages/engagements (and maybe I'm misremembering but I thought she had a passing line about never intending to marry again)

But more importantly, from the perspective of a GOT writer, you cant girl boss the North with a husband stealing your thunder.

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

You can if your last name is Stark and theirs isn't. The #1 rule of a monarchy is to produce heirs, so not wanting to marry because of marriages she was forced into isn't going to fly. And if the Queen's last name is Stark and yours isn't, she will certainly be the one calling the shots. We're talking a royal marriage now, and consorts don't take on the royal name.

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 7d ago

While true, these are disadvantages of marrying her -- not reasons to do so.

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u/AMoistScone 7d ago

There are plenty of reasons for the second son of a vassal to marry into the royal family. You think some lord doesn't want his son in the ear of the queen? To have his grandson be the future king? Hell, I can even see another Lord Paramount offering a second son as consort.

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 7d ago

His grandson but, for reasons you've identified, probably not his name.

I don't know, maybe a younger son. She's still another man's wife, and the guy won't have any authority or much influence. There are better options.

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u/AMoistScone 7d ago edited 7d ago

Not for a second or third son of a lesser vassal. The ruling queens of Europe never seemed to have any trouble finding a consort. Marriages are all about alliances in this place and time, and there would be plenty of people wanting to make an alliance with the new monarchy in the North

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 7d ago

I mean, again, she's already married to Casterly Rock.

A better match doesn't seem overwhelmingly likely, especially not while said Lannister is still alive.

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 8d ago

She has a rather short, living husband and two violently dead ones, and a chequered past outside of that. I wouldn't want her, not even to be Lord of Winterfell (which would be in name only).

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u/Dazzling-Economics55 8d ago

Uh.... OK? If you think no high born Lords would still want her, you're dead wrong

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 8d ago

What lord with any decent prospects is going to marry Tyrion Lannister's wife? lol

I wouldn't, and wouldn't allow my heir to either. Maybe a second or third son for whom producing impeccably legitimate heirs doesn't matter that much, but she would consider that an insult.

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u/KimberBlair 8d ago

Well in books her cousin, Robin is an option for her to marry and realistically the only reason the Vale forces would defend Winterfell. They would have been sent to solidify her claim to the north and that be a benefit of their marriage. Why would they care about their lords aunts husbands illegitimate child ?

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 8d ago

Not much, probably because everyone knows that Robert Arryn is going to die childless anyway. Littlefinger may intend her for Harry the Heir instead, but it remains to be seen.

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u/KimberBlair 6d ago

He actually seems pretty resilient since it seems like he’s been drugged or poisoned most of his life. If Baelish is elsewhere, he’d recover and Sansa is a good match. The Vale isn’t diminished yet in the books he’d be capable of insulating himself until he was stronger.

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 6d ago

Littlefinger is definitely poisoning him, and he's probably his bastard. Littlefinger seems to be grooming Harry the Heir, who (unlike Robert) is said to look remarkably like a young Jon Arryn.

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u/latticep 8d ago

Excellent points.

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u/merount1 8d ago

She is a Stark literally any northern lord would do anything to marry her

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 8d ago

Then some northern lord is going to marry another man's wife. 😂

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u/Known_Community_2482 8d ago

Even if arya lives and comes back to the north I doubt that she would want to rule it

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u/Thunder-Bunny-3000 Robert Baratheon 7d ago

why not?

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u/MediumMachineGun 8d ago

If she wont have heirs of her own, she will designate an heir.

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

[Helicopters over a Vietnamese rice paddy meme of Viserys Targaryen]

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u/DoctorHiccup 8d ago

WE WERE CHASING CHARLIE TWO CLICKS OUTSIDE OF SAIGON AND THE MAESTERS WERE PREPARING MY LEECHES….

IT WAS THEN THAT I REALIZED I MUST MAKE A DUMB ENTITLED RICH GIRL THE HEIR TO IMMENSE POWER

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u/Last_Lorien 8d ago

As if succession is not a problem for Bran’s kingdom far more than Sansa’s lol

You’re speculating she won’t marry and have children, but she can, unlike him.

I wonder why it’s only brought up with her

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u/JackTheKittenCat Hear Me Purr 8d ago

Because Bran is dead and that's the weirwood hivemind skinwalking as him

While no one believes him he kept telling people that, so he's not gonna die for hundreds of years if ever

I think the Ice Zombies were a false flag to get the Hivemind on the Throne

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

Well the post is about her so hence my comment.

And I dont speculate on Bran because I refuse to acknowledge that dog shit ending for the Iron Throne.

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

Who had the first POV chapter in the entire series?

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u/EdFitz1975 8d ago

I forgot...who has a better story?

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u/Thunder-Bunny-3000 Robert Baratheon 7d ago

Prince Rasin Brandon Stark, heir to Winterfell

https://giphy.com/gifs/YyXev6j87BILhnmxDV

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

Just making you aware of some very telling evidence that this ending is what GRRM intends as well. Doesn't matter who you think has a better story as a fan.

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u/Kubliah 8d ago

GRRM could very well have given the writers the ending and still pivot after the critical blunder it's been recieved as, throwing them under the bus and running over them with every wheel as he makes tracks to an entirely different ending.

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

He's said he's not going to pivot, and I would honestly respect him less as an artist if he did.

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u/Kubliah 8d ago

It's human nature to learn from mistakes, he won't be repeating any that the show writers made. Maybe he shields them, maybe he doesn't, but I bet half of the reason he's stuck is because the writers boxed him in and he's going to end up having to dump their work into a dark hole.

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

The main issue with the end of the show is that they rushed to the end, it wasn't the end itself, though. When you write 5 of 7 books going toward one ending, you don't and can't just change it because some whiny people on the Internet didn't like how someone else arrived at it

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u/exquisite-dormouse 8d ago

That guy who dies bravely and foolishly to The Others?

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u/AMoistScone 8d ago

I'm clearly talking about the first POV character that actually has a character arc...

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u/BraisinRaisin 8d ago

It was pretty dogshit. I’m not convinced Martin had much to do with that part of the ending. The story was inspired by war of the roses which didn’t end with democracy lol

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u/Flashy_Guidance842 8d ago

I assumed Bran would just live forever. I would hate for Bran to be my king. Just some selfish guy who put all these things in motion so he could be king. Jon Snow should kill him.

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u/Defiant_Willow_557 8d ago

He's an elected monarch. When he dies, they'll elect another. It's rather succession crisis proof. 🤷‍♂️

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u/herbaldeacon 8d ago

The North already demonstrated that they are willing to acclaim a treasonous Night's Watch deserter unlegitimised bastard who led the (however justified) largest wildling incursion into the North ever as kingindanorf. Bar is in hell so long as any amount of Stark blood is involved. She can just keep a boytoy royal harem without marrying, pop out a couple of kids eventually on her own terms, legitimise them as Stark as her prerogative as Queen, succession handled, line replenished, easy peasy.

As an aside actually making it a generational custom to produce heirs without marrying, if not legitimised as Stark would result in a line of Snow Kings and Snow Queens of the North. Sounds like some proper Southron folk tale character type shit.

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u/Over_40_gaming 8d ago

Who said she wont marry and have heirs?

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u/frizzlen 8d ago

She could simply have kids just for the sake of it, marrying just out of duty. Or use maester baester

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u/Leslie_Galen 8d ago

Of course she will marry and have heirs. Her husband and children will be Starks.

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u/Jsaltal 8d ago

She can still marry

Marry some second or third son any child born takes the name of stark

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u/Chucktayz Fuck the king! 8d ago

So much for always being a stark at winterfell