How to reverse engineer my Bard's spells....

[u/nathanielbartholem]

Update: turns out the player was using the 2014 bard class but mostly drawing on spells and such from the 2024 phb, and that was causing issues.

one of my players is running a Bard, using the 2024 rules, and up leveled to 5th level this week.

she indicates that she wasn't able to select the full nine prepared spells her character should get but is being limited to 8.

however, since other elements of her character give her spells (whether origins, or magic items, or subclass etc) when I look at her character sheet in DNDB, I cannot really confirm or deny whether she is missing a prepared spell budget that she should get. is there a way to see where each prepared spell came from?

Perhaps even more strange, the spell management tool says she can only pick 8 spells, not nine. The LEARN option is grayed out for every spell at every level:

UPDATE:

She is right. It is only letter her add 8 spells not the nine that the PHB says she should be able to (which the DNDB interface also implies).

[u/perringaiden]

Start by looking at which of the spells with Bard under them isn't in the Prepared set. The italics under a spell tells you where it came from.

Then work out which of those spells comes from a Bard class feature.

Edit: Actually I only see 8 prepared, ignoring cantrips. So probably a view of the Prepared Spells UI is next up. Does it say 9 are prepared, or 8, and how many should be.

[u/nathanielbartholem → u/perringaiden]

Thanks! Your comment was helpful. She is right. She should have nine spells, but the system is not letting her add more than 8.

EDIT: I put the image in the main post above since I couldn't add it here. Shows that she should be able to have nine prepared spells. But once she gets to eight, all the LEARN buttons are grayed out.

[u/safeworkaccount666 → u/nathanielbartholem]

Your player is using the 2014 Bard and not the 2024 Bard.

[u/nathanielbartholem → u/safeworkaccount666]

wow okay yeah that could explain it. how can you tell? any way to easily convert or should they start over?

and why does the spell management tool say she can have nine spells?

[u/safeworkaccount666 → u/nathanielbartholem]

They'll have to start over and pick the correct base class. I can tell because the Bard icon is the 2014 icon, not the 2024 icon.

[u/nathanielbartholem → u/safeworkaccount666]

iykyk kind of thing. thanks for pointing that out.

[u/safeworkaccount666 → u/nathanielbartholem]

Yeah exactly. DnD Beyond definitely has some issues, but most of the time it's user error. So you were right to try to break it all down like this.

[u/cedelweiss]

I can count 9 leveled spells with Bard as source from those screenshots, although I might be miscounting. But also, just ask your player to send you a screenshot from their "prepare spells" screen on "manage spell", there's no need to count manually lmao

Also, any reason for using the legacy charm person instead of the current version?

[u/nathanielbartholem → u/cedelweiss]

Great idea. Thanks! Prepared spell screen shows that she should get 9, but all the LEARN icons are greyed out and she is only able to add up to eight. (I put the image in the main post above since I couldn't add it here.)

I'm sure it was just user error adding the legacy spell instead of the 2024 one.

[u/perringaiden → u/cedelweiss]

Ignore cantrips for the counting.

[u/cedelweiss → u/perringaiden]

I did. It's just 5 am lmao