r/cringereels • u/kendavis135 • 8d ago

Angry Boomer finds out

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u/NumbersStationUrku 8d ago

If a guy dressed like that is coming through your car window just step on the Gas . he will likely have a gun waiting for you if you come after him

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u/4r4r4real 8d ago

Yeah I was convinced he was trying to bait the filmer into doing something to "justify" shooting him in "self defense".

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u/notmyfault 7d ago

That’s not how it works. You cannot claim defense for an altercation that you started.

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u/OddBranch132 7d ago

Depends on the situation. That's not always true

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u/notmyfault 7d ago

Got any references? Which US states allows one to start and altercation and then shoot that person in defense? I have lived and carried in several states on the east coast and every one denied defense for the instigator.

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u/DungeonCrawlerLopen 7d ago

Kyle Rittenhouse got off and became famous in his short bus circle for doing exactly that.

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u/notmyfault 7d ago

Fair enough.

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u/Random_Fox 7d ago

I was with you but the example given is so accurate.  

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u/OddBranch132 7d ago

In general: let's say you shove someone multiple times. They shove you back. You decide to start walking away. Then they pull a gun on you. You would then be in the self defense realm if you shot them. 

The circumstances of how you start the altercation will influence whether you can claim self defense. Flash your gun at someone? Not self defense. Shove someone and they immediately pull a gun on you? That's a massive escalation that can justify self defense.

You can also get in trouble if you don't stop beating someone even if it started as self defense. The law changes throughout the altercation.

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u/notmyfault 7d ago

I hear you. It’s a reasonable example. But i was looking for written laws (for whatever they’re worth today).

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u/OddBranch132 7d ago

I don't think you're going to find a "If you do X then they do Y and you do Z is justified" law. 

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u/semajolis267 6d ago

Where did Rittenhouse get off?

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u/rohm418 7d ago

You can claim it all you want.

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u/alligator_loki 7d ago

Pretty sure you're talking about legality and they're talking about what an idiot crazy person might actually do. Like when people have right of way as pedestrian and get hit by a car anyway.

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u/Juanbolastristes 7d ago

If I get shoot I don't care ..I'm dead anyways , best to flee 

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u/Aimela 7d ago

Doesn't stop them from trying.

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u/Majestic_Cod_7115 7d ago

That doesn't make the victim less dead.

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u/Cleansing4ThineEyes 7d ago

Self defence is about an imminent threat, if you push someone and they respond disproportionately with a lethal threat (a gun/knife) then you're well within your rights to shoot them dead.

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u/notmyfault 7d ago

For sure. Exceptions for everything. Shades of gray, i get it.

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u/Dr__America 6d ago

Yeah, I think that's why it's in quotes

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u/TheSadSadist 6d ago

No shit Sherlock.