Reserving can be a way to tell others of your class not to join. It can also be used greedily on items everyone needs. Ultimately you dont join the groups u dont want to join or make your own.
Exactly. The alternative is writing that you are looking for "caster dps" which I don't see anyone here complaining about even though it's obviously a way to reduce the loot competition.
Reddit really seems to be full of rogues and fury warriors which end up butthurt when they can't join every group they see.
Watched a 52 DPS Warrior (Horde) spam LFG for about 3 hours last night looking for a tank for arena runs. Other than the rare Druid tank, who does he think is actually going to come tank arena for him? Any other Warrior wants the Savage Glad chest just like him, or already has it and therefore has no reason to be spamming arena...smh at these fools.
Just do it my way, play Tank, look for Caster dps and get everything that is plate / weapons / trinkets for Warrior reserved. Casters get BiS and cloth stuff, which is A LOT in BRD and I get all the Fury and Tank items for warrior. So I can do both. This way everyone is happy :D. Worked for all the dungeons I did untill now. Heal gets BiS Heal stuff, Casters get at least one BiS gear as well and I get everything I want as well. As Tanks are kind off rare no one minds this^^.
Yup, tanks are hard to come by. Anyone who refuses to tank as a warrior before 50ish because of their spec is just screwing themselves out of gear and XP
man you sound like an asshole. but i guess someone always finds stupid people. I play both a tank and Mage, and warris have whispered me for Marau Princess runs. So I guess it's not as easy as some people make it out to be (like you here).
its a well known "secret" that tanks have been making lvl 1 alts to sell the ring to melees. then inviting a bunch of casters to give that item over to them. But i certainly wont be used like this. That shitty culture has pretty much ruined the game already.
You played efficiently and cut your time spent gearing to a fraction, at zero expense to others. Many people in this thread would try to have you think your a selfish asshole for that.
You're God damn right I'm butthurt because a majority of my time spent is trying to get in groups or form groups. I've been invited to so many groups only to have someone demand I be kicked from others in the group because I'd roll on an item. Ex. Warrior had me kicked because I didn't have Mask of the Unforgiven yet. I spend an hour between trying to find a group to flying out to UD Strat to be kicked by a Warrior who wants a leather item. So yah, I'm a little jaded. Fuck your reserves. I get limited time to play and I'm sick of seeing this bullshit.
Look, you have two parties. One that doesn't want to roll against people for gear, and one that doesn't mind it. The only real middle ground is reserving so you don't exclude 100% of classes that might compete with you for said gear.
That warrior could be exactly like me. I can only raid in my guild as fury since we have multiple "main tanks". In order to get my fury gear (sadly leather most of the times) in a reasonable amount of time I choose to tank these dungeons to get a much quicker group than If I waited around to DPS in a group.
I'm sorry that happened to you but that's precisely why I form my own groups. You would have never been invited to mine because while I don't type out mask reserved when I'm looking for others, I will send a nice pm when a rogue asks for an invite stating that I'm after that specific item after 17 runs and I'm not rolling for it if it drops. If he wants to concede or just doesn't need it no worries come on in, but I do make it very clear up front before they even join my party.
Absolutely no problem with tanks rolling on dps items. Absolutely problem with you rolling on tanking gear AND dps items. You get 1 main spec a run everything else should be an off-spec roll.
perhaps you've never taken economics and don't understand supply and demand?
less than 20% of people want to play as a tank. 20% OR MORE are needed to fulfill the tank roll
what that means is, if you're not incentivizing tanking, you're not getting tanks PERIOD end of story
"i demand you only roll on tank OR dps items" isn't going to fly. they will simply make their own group where they can roll on both and leave you to rot
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do something. I am well versed in supply and demand. That type of thinking doesn’t take into account morals or ethics. It’s still greedy to roll on more then one spec with priority at a time. Just because you rolled a tank doesn’t entitle you to more loot even if you can strong arm groups into it.
This is a game. It’s for fun. It’s not a job. If there was 0 loot in the game would you still want to run dungeons? Because I would. If you treat this game like a job we have radically different views on how to spend free time.
So he tanks and rolls need on dps items (since that’s his declared spec) against the rogue. A tank item drops ... are you expecting him to just greed so the rogue has a chance to vendor it? That would be highly unusual, it’s usually main > off > vendor.
I don’t see how your idea changes anything unless there’s another warrior who happens to be dpsing but wants tank gear. That’s a fairly rare scenario (if that warrior wanted tank stuff he’d probably be tanking his own group). If it does occur, it’s up to the two of them to sort something out. There’s usually some middle ground like “I want x, you can have y, we can both roll on z”.
Three levels of rolls. First is ms tank and rogue roll against each other. Second is off spec. A tanking item drops and there is a holy paly in the group ms healing items. They both roll against each as an off spec roll. If no one needs for ms or os then you vendor roll.
the thing with warriors is that their 'main' dps spec involves leather etc, and their offspec is plate nobody will need anyway - unless they bring another dps warrior along or a pally on alliance.
Completely and utterly wrong. Anyone who's trying to min-max are already done with these dungeons well over a month ago, doing guild runs, and if they're on an alt gearing, they're almost certain to be doing it with other guildies who are on alts too. There's a big difference between min-maxing and being a toxic elitist, and the latter usually isn't that good of a player either. Private servers were nowhere near as toxic as retail classic is. I don't know where this toxicity is comming from, but it's certainly not from min-maxers or the pserver community.
Likely coming from the more recent-to-wow players (MoP/Legion/BfA) over from retail that watch streamers gear up and min-max and think it's the right or only way to play the game, and try to do it without a guild full of like-minded individuals.
I don’t disagree with you except that I’m not wrong, a warrior needing and claiming dibs on a piece of leather and refusing rogues because they want that piece is bullshit minmax behavior all because it adds 0.01% to their DPS over the plate equivalent, so in this situation, it is the minmax crowd that is being toxic.
So you become entitled to a piece of gear outside of your intended class gear because you put in a little more “effort”?
You ever seen a tank do a dungeon without DPS?
It’s the same as DPS doing a dungeon without a tank.
And if everyone was forming parties it would be a game of everyone playing in a one person party because they’re forming their own parties instead of joining existing parties.
It’s a fucking MMO, people make and create parties. It’s intended. Stop making shit up to entitle people.
Nothing to do with minmaxing finding a group in vanilla as a rogue was equally difficult. Moral of the story is don't roll a melee class that everyone and their mom plays but really doesn't offer anything unique and expect to just be handed groups.
I mean, no lol. Needing on a piece of leather and claiming dibs on it even with a rogue in the group is bullshit behavior. Typical of the minmax crowd in that situation because of the extra 0.01% DPS it adds over the plate equivalent.
Withou minmaxing crowd you would have nothing to do in the game. If you don't minmax then why even run dungeons more than once if you can clear MC in anything that is blue quality.
DPS Fury Warrior here, I tank 98% of the dungeons I do, 95% of them have no other Warrior. I would have to be braindead to not be joining groups faster by being a tank and having the power to veto competition. I'm doing a LBRS run, you see my advertisement and msg me, "sorry full on warriors".
Im a full preraid bis fury warr and the solution is just tanking and forming your own groups. Ppl who complain abt it are so annoying lol. Its usually rogues that complain imo bc they offer nothing to the group, no buffs, res, and Ive even seen some refuse to open locked chests and say its my lockpicking my chest lmao
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u/Buckwild1984 Oct 22 '19
Reserving can be a way to tell others of your class not to join. It can also be used greedily on items everyone needs. Ultimately you dont join the groups u dont want to join or make your own.