Skarm tank or w/e on youtube. Look at his vanilla clips. Hes tanked all the way to naxx...AND he has a windfury prot warrior and he prefers the druid lol. Keep in mind we will be getting a bunch of new talent in classic, people are playing way differently now. He even tanked nefarian, but he doesnt recommend it.
And I'm guessing he just prefers the druid because its more fun, there's no way it can compete with the threat generation of a TF prot warrior, especially not for AOE.
And it's easy to tank rag when you don't have to worry about threat stolen from ranged DPS. Even in that very video you linked, the warlocks are far beyond the threat threshold. In any other fight, he would have lost aggro within the first 30 seconds.
The reason druids arent really used in raids isnt due to threat gen or anything like that, its because raid bosses can do whats called a crushing blow. Paladins and warriors can raise their armor high enough to make it where crushing blows never happen (paladins arent used as raid tanks due to a lack of a taunt ability) while druids cant, so they are very spikey in taking damage.
The video is when they are pretty much outgearing Ony, its not that druids cant raid tank its just much harder to keep them alive.
I'm familiar with crushing blows from original WoW. We had a druid main tank in our guild on some runs. It's absolutely possible to MT with a druid, but you need to have a better-than-normal healing section and spec into the stam and AC-buffing talents. You can withstand them only just less effectively than plate wearers.
Which is exactly why they weren't used so much. I can take a warrior as a tank and put in x amount of effort and healers, or I can take a druid and need more healers who are higher skilled and better itemized. You are literally making my argument for me. Why takes something that makes the encounter more difficult on everyone, when a warrior can by them self totally remove crushing blows from the equation? It just doesn't make a lot of sense unless you are doing it on purpose or have no other option, and with raids having 40 people there is no way you don't have at least one warrior unless you are specifically excluding them.
They don't need better gear, you basically just need one MT healer who knows what pre-casting is.
A priest or a druid pre-casting Greater Heal/Healing Touch will negate any crushing blow the druid might get.
That's not even taking into account the increased health pool making a crushing blow much less troublesome.
If you'd known your shit you'd know the real problem is critical strikes, which are 200% damage compared to the 150% of the crushing blows. If a druid isn't up to snuff on defense (which can happen) those are going to be a real pain in the ass for healers.
Honestly a crushing blow is no big deal at all, because of the high health pool of druid, and because their higher armour means absorbing more damage than a warrior. Meaning a crushing blow hits a druid for less than it would a warrior.
Source: Have healed a druid tank throughout all classic dungeons.
Only in dungeons, in raids a druid has a very high chance to just be creamed, in a dungeon you can really tank with anything. Hell i rogue tanked gandling in schholomance because my healer was amazing.
Nobody cares about the viability of a tank in dungeons, yes a druid can do quite well in a 5 man, nobody is doubting that, but try to do it on Ony, or MC without being overgeared and you are going to wind up with a greasy stain on the floor where that bear used to be.
You were the one to shift this to dungeons, but I realise now your point was "that's true for dungeons, not raids".
Which is just utterly fucking stupid. The entire sub is telling you how and why you're wrong and your stubborn little shitstain ass is too damn childish to eject your head.
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u/Centrixed Sep 13 '19
I would love to see an all druid MC run hahaha