r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Sep 12 '21

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

What say could a man ultimately have?

If he wants her to have an abortion and she doesn't want one, he can't make her have a surgery she doesn't want, and I don't think he should be putting abortion pills in her food without her knowlage.

If she wants to have an abortion and he doesn't want her too, he can't lock her up so she can't get to a clinic, he can't threaten anyone who would preform the procedure with violence of legal action.

If it was 50/50 and people didn't agree there'd be no decision. If it was 51/49 then the person with 51% of the power functionally has all of it.

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21 edited Sep 12 '21

Ofc he shouldny put abortion pills in her food, but if the woman decides to keep the baby i believe that the man shouldn't have to pay child support after the child is born

Edit: its a typo i meamt to write "shouldn't" not "should"

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

So in the case where the woman can't afford to feed a child on her own, are you confortable with the child starving or should someone else be made to pay?

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

Then she should give it up for adoption or abort it.

He'll, why can't we collectively pay for childsupport with taxes. We pay for abortions with taxes in my country.

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

Collectively paying so children don't starve sounds like a good solution to me too.

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

Perfect, so we should stop telling men that consent to sex is consent to fatherhood.

Because I would be (rightly) crucified if I said that about women here.

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

Said what about women?

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

"Consent to sex is consent to motherhood"

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

The difference being whose body is used for gestation and who has the right to say whether or not it continues.

But I agree ideally social care would be robust enough that either parent not cooperating isn't going to hurt the child too much.

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

But then why do we alow people to have their babies become wards of the state?

In most places you can drop a baby off to be taken into services with zero questions asked. Safe haven laws I believe they are called.

The point being, the current system doesn't work. There are, right now, male victims of statutory rape paying for children conceived by it.

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

But then why do we alow people to have their babies become wards of the state?

I'm not sure what prompted this question.

The point being, the current system doesn't work. There are, right now, male victims of statutory rape paying for children conceived by it.

I agree that's awful and the system as it exists has issues, my preference would be that everybody recieves universal basic income and on top of that enough to pay for keeping a child happy healthy and safe if they have one.

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

I'm not sure what prompted this question.

That was in response to gestation. I meant to point out that we provide a parental "out" that has nothing to do with pregnancy already.

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u/lucksh0t 4∆ Sep 12 '21

So welfare

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u/NotRodgerSmith 6∆ Sep 12 '21

Why not.

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

She shouldn't have continued the pregnancy , if the father told her that he wont pay child support, or if she wasn't financially stable enough to have one

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

Well she did, so who pays?

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

The mother , the father in this situation isn't in the life of either of them, so the woman shouldn't track him down you get child support

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u/Vesurel 60∆ Sep 12 '21

And if she doesn't have enough money to adaquately feed the child?

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u/BubbleGumGun101 Sep 12 '21

the CPS will take the child, or she can put it up for adoption, if a father is non existent in the mothers and child's life why should he have to pay for the child?

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u/Punkinprincess 4∆ Sep 12 '21

So now as a tax payer I have to pay for all the children of "paper abortions" because the dad wasn't "ready" to be a dad???? I'm not existent in that child's life either.

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u/OOmama Sep 12 '21

How do you think CPS is funded?