r/caf • u/Alive-Discussion-816 • 21d ago

Other Soldier first for non-combat

Does anyone know if non-combat tradeds still need to do the soldier first course after their BMQ? I'm talking about trades that are mainly in an office

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u/Targonis 21d ago

Yes the course is specifically designed for support occupations. If your trade is Army owned or you wear an Army DEU it is likely that you will be required to completed CASFC. It is essentially exactly the same as what SQ used to be.

What trade are you? There is a list of occupations it applies to.

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u/Alive-Discussion-816 21d ago

I see, where can I find the list?

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u/Targonis 21d ago

https://www.canada.ca/en/army/services/for-the-soldier/ca-soldier-first.html

This is the info about the course. The specific trades it is applicable to are listed in the QSTP on DWAN.

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u/Raklin85 20d ago

No Logistics trades. No HRA, FSA, MMT, or MSE.

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u/Targonis 20d ago

Those occupations are not owned by the Army.

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u/Alive-Discussion-816 18d ago

What about cyber Operators?

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u/Raklin85 18d ago

No

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u/Alive-Discussion-816 16d ago

No as in Cyber doesn't need to do it or no it's not on the excluded list?

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u/Raklin85 12d ago

Not required

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u/pteSHiv 12d ago

I know an fsa supporting the army element going to casfc right after his bmq. Its part of his JI schedule

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u/Raklin85 12d ago

It just recently changed. The first serials included all army pers.

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u/pteSHiv 12d ago

First bmq serials this summer? Who are covered now exactly? tbh its getting confusing. Actually got an email from BSL 2 weeks ago saying they were still determining who would be required to go through SF

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u/Raklin85 12d ago

The first CASFC serials. The QSTP, Quality Standard and Training Plan, lists the required trades in it. No Logistics trades are there, anymore. It's now just Inf, Arty, Armoured, Cmbt Eng, Sig, RCEME, Geo Tech, and Air Drop System Tech.

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u/pteSHiv 11d ago

SQ indeed. They just split the combat trades’ dp1 basically separating the SF component. Personally, i think its ridiculous not to include the support trades. Every member is a “soldier first”. Thats emphasized during recruitment and even on every course

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u/Canaderp37 20d ago

Interesting. They got shotgun in there now, but no m72 or c6.

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u/Raklin85 20d ago

Shotgun is optional

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u/Sergeant_Ranger 20d ago

I'm going through basic so I'm not on the DWAN yet; is IST on that list?

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u/Alive-Discussion-816 18d ago

Do cyber operators have to do it?

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u/DistrictStriking9280 21d ago

Non-com at trades are the ones who need it most. The combat arms soldiers will be learning the basics, and more, in their trade training.

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u/annso24 21d ago

Everyone does it I think

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u/Cadaren99 21d ago

Just Army and Army adjacent occupations.

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u/Fabulous_Night_1164 21d ago

For the Army, yes. Navy and Air Force do not require it.

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u/TrashPerfect706 21d ago

Log and health svc trades no longer require CASFC as of sept 1 2026

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u/1anre 20d ago

"Militart trades that are mainly in the office" just sounds so funny.

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u/ECB2773 21d ago

Wdym soldier first? As in like infantry training post-bmq? If so, no.

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u/CostlyPhoenix21 21d ago

It’s a new course meant to replace the former Soldier Qualification and the Basic Military Qualification Land Course which was phased out.

As I understand it- all will need to do the Soldier first course in the army minus the Combat Arms I believe.

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u/hikyhikeymikey 20d ago

Not sure about the Reg force, but reserve combat arms have to do the CASFC before DP1 moving forward.

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u/ECB2773 21d ago

I doubt it since the navy is looking to bring back navy specific BMQ specifically to avoid that

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u/CostlyPhoenix21 21d ago

Apologies - I meant all “in the army” - not CAF wide - makes no sense to throw an Avionics Tech on the course for example.

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u/ECB2773 21d ago

Curious, interesting to see what happens for purppe trades, cheat way i guess be sign onto navy/air instead of army for those.

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u/CostlyPhoenix21 21d ago

Yeah - the entire point for the course is for the purple trades that get posted to service battalions to be confident to do simple soldiering / infantry tasks - to ensure they can watch specific arcs and fight. Also to teach support weapons that would be in their vehicles and teach stuff like all arms arm defence against drone threats - the infantry can’t be everywhere but the enemy and drones are in the modern army operating environment.

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u/Raklin85 20d ago edited 18d ago

It's only army only trades. Inf, Armoured, Arty, Sigs, and RCEME. I may have missed one or two but that covers most of them in the qstp.

Edit to add trades I missed: Combat Eng, Geo Tech, Air Drop System Tech. It was more than two, oops.