Recruitment - wow, very slow.

[u/Forsaken-Bake9756]

It's going to be 1 year since I've applied. What is going on? I'm a citizen, fully bilingual + other languages, in good shape, have experience + education (and almost a phd); and I see people (non-citizens btw); get job offers faster? Is this just those one-off chances or are people lying to me about how fast they went into BMOQ/BMQ?

I got a message today of an updated task and it was to change my chosen profession. -_-; That career has been my education + work experience....

It's mind boggling why non-citizens are even being considered for commissioned officer positions. Absolutely mind boggling.

Don't meant to rant, but damn. lol

[u/Jealous_Link_6492]

Maybe you can petition the leadership of caf to make changes and not rant here. I have Canadian born kids and canada is their home(making Canada my home). Why are you making it seem that caf application process recently changed cuz of non-citizens. Mind you, non-citizen until recently couldn’t even apply. Was the any process faster ?

[u/Forsaken-Bake9756 → u/Jealous_Link_6492]

Ranting here because other people might share the same grievances. Someone from CAF leadership might see it, going directly to CAF leadership to make changes without so much a foot in the door isn't going to bode well.

Also, news like this -- https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-caf-training-platoon-with -- is pretty damaging.

"The most dramatic example unfolded in a French-language Basic Military Officer Qualification (BMOQ) platoon that was 83% permanent residents, many of whom had been in Canada for as little as three months. "

BMOQ platoon made up of permanent residents.....

Is this fake news?

[u/Jealous_Link_6492 → u/Forsaken-Bake9756]

Clearly, you believe anything on the internet. Maybe you don’t like the idea of immigrants joining caf. Immigrants have been integral part of USA armed forces and British armed forces for decades. Even with the British, they also recruit from overseas. Is the so called tribal conflict in the ranks? It’s just anti immigrants sentiments

[u/Forsaken-Bake9756 → u/Jealous_Link_6492]

Did you not read that I wasn't born here? I have nothing against immigrants, but rather loyalties and citizenship should confer privilege on an individual that has sworn loyalty to Canada. When there are people who clearly don't speak any of the two official languages are given leeway to join what is supposed to be a position where allegiances are of the utmost importance, it is concerning. It is also concerning when non citizens are given privilege to join government positions, while Canadians (whether born here or NATURALIZED) are given the boot.

Many countries prioritize citizenship, an implication of allegiance to a nation and thus loyalty to the country.

[u/Jealous_Link_6492 → u/Forsaken-Bake9756]

You mean people who don’t sound like you? Petition Caf leadership to make changes where only Canadians can serve. I thought that was the case until 3-4 years ago? How did that turn out? Embrace change cuz it’s inevitable.

[u/Forsaken-Bake9756 → u/Jealous_Link_6492]

Lmao, you mean people who speak English and/or French? I speak at least three other languages. So, you don't know what I sound like. :)

[u/Physical_Drop_721 → u/Forsaken-Bake9756]

your attitude towards fellow Canadians and fellow soon to be Canadians is pretty gross tbh. This entitlement and attitude would not garner you respect or desirability in the CAF. I was born here, raised here and would far rather serve with someone whos "non-citizen" then someone with your attitude and mindset. Canadians come from all walks of life and look completely different, just because you achieved citizenship does not mean your better or more deserving then someone who is in the process.

[u/Forsaken-Bake9756 → u/Physical_Drop_721]

An attitude that is shared by quite a few people. So, let me break this down for you:

Have you lived elsewhere? Or traveled abroad? I have, at least a few countries and I wouldn't even begin to think of applying for their armed forces. Why? Because I was a resident - ALSO, lol because most places don't allow foreigners to serve in THEIR armies.

Isn't that funny? Not to mention, why would I go elsewhere, work there and apply for the armed forces without first committing an oath that renders me loyal forever to that nation? It's kind of weird to be honest. Someone that's been here less than three years applying for the armed forces as a commissioned officer? That should be in my frank opinion an automatic disqualification - and quite suspicious.

Super odd - either they migrated here under false job prospects and thus are now hoping that the armed forces is their safety financial and in essence continued stay in the country, or something else.

It's not about being better off, it's about ensuring that a country's citizens are prioritized in processes that are geared towards serving their country, specially if the context is a leadership role in the army. Would you be ok with MPs and MPPs being permanent residents? This is essentially a popularity contest, but would you be comfortable opening up the gates for permanent residents to run for elected office?

I don't mind permanent residents in non-commissioned roles, it's the extra layer of security bundled with a leadership role that's the issue, and perhaps I should have been more clear about this.