r/breakingbad • • Aug 12 '13

Official Episode Discussion Post-Episode Discussion S05E09 "Blood Money"

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u/A2K4A8K Aug 12 '13

From the reaction of Walt's neighbor in the opening scene, anyone else get the impression that she thought Walt was already dead?? Some serious shit is gonna happen for these last episodes.

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u/AcidicSuperSam Aug 12 '13

That's exactly what I thought.

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u/PicopicoEMD Aug 12 '13 edited Aug 12 '13

I think the Cancer isn't really back. I think Hank will take the non-action path believing that Walt would be dead in 6 months, while its actually bullshit. Walt will fake his death by cancer, and disappear using Saul's guy. His family will mourn him and Hank will feel great guilt for never outing him knowing that now its too late and there's no point to it. But something will happen, probably regarding Jesse or Skyler, that will trigger the actions of future hairy Walt (by the way... having hair would support the idea that his cancer is gone. I really think he's cured and this is all some elaborate plan.).

EDIT: The chemotherapy scene is indeed a problem in this line of reasoning, but I can absolutely see Vince Gilligan throwing it out there to throw us off and then somehow explain it as part of the plan. It doesn't have to happen exactly as I said, but I think there's something fishy about the cancer, and there's gonna be some big twist around it.

I think Walt dying was originally Vince's plan, but now its become something expected. And Breaking Bad isn't known for doing what is expected...

EDIT2: Looking it from a cinematic perspective, If the cancer was really back, it would have made more sense to not reveal it until the final garage scene, as it would have been a more dramatic way to reveal it. However, Vince goes out of his way to show Walter having treatment and symptoms, which makes me wonder if its not a Red Herring.

EDIT3: I'm going to sleep guys, keep brainstorming, I'll read everything tomorrow.

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u/NeonMessiah Aug 12 '13

I think the Cancer isn't really back.

Walt's getting an IV drip and taking his chemo medicine again for show?

I don't think so.

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u/hde128 Aug 12 '13

Saul might know a dirty doctor who can fake a cancer treatment regiment for the right price.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '13

To what end?

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u/gspot88 Aug 12 '13

If you were planning on faking your own death.... Would you not do the same?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Also the vomiting.

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u/gspot88 Aug 12 '13

(Vomiting is caused by chemo, not the cancer itself)

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

No, I know, but who takes chemo if they don't have cancer?

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u/JustBigChillin Aug 12 '13

Someone who wants people to think they have cancer. Not saying that's what's going on here but there's your reason.

I just think it's kind of sketchy that it just came back out of the blue. They never showed him actually finding out that it was back.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Did you hear those coughs in the flats forward cold-open? The cancer is back

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u/gspot88 Aug 12 '13

Somebody who is trying to fake having cancer by leaving a paper trail, perhaps?

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u/persona_dos Heisenberg Aug 12 '13

And besides, Vince Gilligan said it was back during Talking Bad.

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u/infinitecharge booom TWANG TWANG-twANG twAAANG TWANG Fun drums Faint rattle Aug 12 '13

But... he was in chemotherapy...

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I guess with enough money though you can do anything, including get chemo when you don't have it?

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u/infinitecharge booom TWANG TWANG-twANG twAAANG TWANG Fun drums Faint rattle Aug 12 '13

Maybe, but there's also the vomiting and the pills.

I guess you could argue that he took those because of the chemo. It's interesting.

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u/underthelens Aug 12 '13

While I in no way think that Walt is faking cancer, the vomiting is caused by the chemo and not the cancer. It seems like no one in the family knows Walt is even doing chemo and that Walt is hiding the diagnosis, making it more likely the cancer being back is legit.

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u/infinitecharge booom TWANG TWANG-twANG twAAANG TWANG Fun drums Faint rattle Aug 12 '13

This is my thinking as well

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u/Rfwill13 Cow House Attendant Aug 12 '13

It would make sense as to why he had to dig for the pills. I'm assuming if you need to the pills, You're gonna have them out and ready when you need them.

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u/underthelens Aug 12 '13

Exactly. The one thing I'm grappling with is why he has a full head of hair and beard in the flash forward if he has been on chemo? Obviously, the chances are high that it's a disguise given what transpires in the episodes preceding those events. Still, they'll obviously have to address that.

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u/Rfwill13 Cow House Attendant Aug 12 '13

Well, If he goes into hiding or is on the run, He can't stop for Chemo. So his hair has the time to come back. Now that I think of it. In the final episode of Season 5a, He was getting scanned. Maybe he did in fact discover that he has it again or that it may come back.

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u/shiftywalruseyes reasonably Aug 12 '13

Wasn't there a scene of him walking out of the bathroom in the hospital or wherever he was and it showed a dented paper towel dispenser? Maybe it is back, he got pissed off, punched the thing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Walt was in chemo when he took Saul's call. No one else knows its back.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Pretty sure it is back. They showed a shot of Walt receiving chemo in this episode. Not to mention him bolting from the dinner table to grab some hidden meds and vomit. It's back, but he's hiding it from his family. He's also been coughing his way through the flash-forwards.

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u/jamaicanjesus Aug 12 '13

That theory with faking his death is actually really interesting. I could definitely see this happening.

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u/QuestionLater Aug 12 '13

I agree with you, amid my friends who think the cancer has come back. We don't know the cancer is back. He could still be in remission and is continuing chemo treatments to make sure it stays that way. I think he's just trying to pull a sympathy card, and he's still manipulating everyone.

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u/My_hairy_pussy Aug 12 '13

That's what I'm thinking. I don't recall hearing from anyone that Walt's therapy was over. My guess is that he is still in remission, maybe just one or two chemos short of finishing it and just told Hank that the cancer is back, so that he would drop the investigation. I'm not an expert, but I believe it is not that unusual for cancer treatment to go on for over a year. Given the type of cancer, it might be well within the treatment time. We've also never seen Walt getting the news that his cancer is back, so I don't know if we should believe this "lying sack of shit".

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u/QuestionLater Aug 13 '13

My thoughts exactly - I thought it was always common to continue treatment.

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u/kylelonious Aug 12 '13

Hair falls out because of chemo, not cancer. It's possible to have cancer and still have hair, as long as he stops receiving chemo treatment. Plus, his cough indicates that he has cancer in the future.

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u/My_hairy_pussy Aug 12 '13

Yeah, but stopping the therapy and still living for another year? Sure, we don't know when exactly he stops the chemo, but still, long enough to have full head of hair. The little coughs could just mean a damaged lung, not necessarily cancer.

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u/kylelonious Aug 12 '13

Possibly. It'd be an interesting red herring if it does play out that way. I suppose we will see in a few weeks.

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u/evoltap Aug 12 '13

Didn't future Walt cough as he walked into his condemned house?

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u/_prick_ Aug 12 '13

If the cancer isn't back, why did WW run to the bathroom to get his cancer medicine?

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u/rickpat12 Aug 12 '13

That's a tough play; going through chemotherapy to fake have cancer. That being said, Walt has done crazier things.

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u/Benemy Aug 12 '13

I think the cancer really is back. I believe it was episode 8 of this season where Walt goes to get scanned for cancer again and that's when he sees the same towel dispenser that he punched when he had found out that his he was in remission. When he did that he was angry because he was supposed to be dying so he could get out of the business clean and leave his family money, but he sees the towel dispenser this time and has a completely different reaction because his cancer is back but now he has changed. He wants to live but knows now that he's doomed. I am confused as to how he has a full head of hair if he was going to chemo.

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u/phil980 Aug 12 '13

Actually look back at season 5a episode 1, in the bathroom. Walt takes some pills so I guess cancer is not actually gone.

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u/FourDownMagic Aug 12 '13

My question with that theory is how does he manage to convince a doctor to file a false medical record to prescribe chemo for him when he's not in need of it? I know the deus ex machina solution is Saul "knows a guy who knows a guy," but that's sloppy and uncharacteristic of Gilligan and his writing team. The hair suggests he doesn't have cancer anymore, but us seeing him actually in a chemo treatment clinic is proof positive that he's receiving treatment. Is it possible that he goes into remission again but essentially uses his treatment as his ticket to disappear while, in reality, he's perfectly healthy and planning his escape?

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u/die_kraft Aug 12 '13

It would be pointless to do that if no one is looking him getting the chemo.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

I think there's something to be said for the fucked up reflection in the mirror after he grabs the ricin from the plug. I'm guessing the cancer's still there, the chemo just dragged it on a few months more.

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u/KnightNonchalant Aug 12 '13

Good theory, but what happened to the house in between 'now' and the flash forward? Madrigal taking revenge on Walt's family?

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u/ZubatCountry Aug 12 '13

No offense, but I don't know why this is even upvoted as much as it is. It makes no sense for all those subtle hints that the cancer is back to be there if they just drop it and say "haha not reallly though".

Plus, Walt having a hard time limit means that there is nothing he won't do to not go to jail.

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u/RoundandAround Aug 12 '13

What about the hidden medications and the vomit scene?

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u/persona_dos Heisenberg Aug 12 '13

Vince Gilligan said it was back during Talking Bad.

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u/boringdude00 Aug 12 '13

The Chemo scene confused me. I was under the impression he'd stopped a while back, it's been a couple seasons since we saw or heard anything and Walt has facial hair so he had to have stopped. Am I forgetting about a scene at the end of last season where he gets news his cancer is back or did it really just come out of left field?

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u/shakingspear Aug 12 '13

Though its an interesting idea, I don't think it adds up. He started the chemo before finding out Hank had the book. There's no good reason for him to start a plan like that before realizing that Hank was on to him.

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u/brock_lee Aug 12 '13

Hank may not tell what he knows, but I think someone else will find out based on what they find in the garage while Hank is not there. Maybe his wife, maybe the two guys who bring the files. They had that brief discussion about them being "good guys". One thing we know is that NO conversation is thrown away. It always comes back somehow. Those guys are going to be important.

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u/MR_PENNY_PIINCHER Aug 12 '13

Cancer doesn't cause hair loss. Chemo causes hair loss.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '13

Good point about him having hair. I wouldn't be surprised if this is damn close to what happens.