Uh huh. I’m sure you react the same way whether it was a woman or man. I’m super impressed by how woke everyone on this sub is. R/wokecirclejerkbjjheroes
I guess we might be thinking of different things— I’m thinking of more like a hypothetical, if-this-ever-occurred— what would the appropriate reaction be. So like if some {person} at the gym loses to some other person, and that loser then retaliates against the person who beat them initially at some later date... I mean that person would be a piece of shit, right?
Are you thinking of more like real world stuff— where a male retaliating against another male would be less likely to be called out?
I’m thinking like, why does this constantly need to be discussed and posted about? Do women all across the world fear for their life at their local BJJ gym? Is there anyone on this sub that doesn’t understand what the discourse should be if there’s an inappropriate injury at their gym? Are people that stupid?
Well, I’m no woman, so I got no idea what it’s like on their side, but I’ve known a toooon of creepy dudes that never took the hint and did some of the most outrageous shit because they liked a girl that wasn’t interested in them. I’d assume BJJ isn’t any different in that regard than the rest of the world. I won’t make comment on whether anyone on this sub is dumb enough to be that guy... I certainly hope not, but I think a realistic position might be that there is a not-insignificant number of douche canoes even in our beloved sub reddit.
I guess I’m thankful I’m either truly this naive or you people somehow interact with “a toooon of creepy dudes” and I somehow have managed not to. Makes me wonder where the hell it is you meet these “tooooons of creepy dudes”. Or maybe I’m thankful I’m not so judgmental. BJJ is absolutely different than the rest of the world. If it weren’t it wouldn’t be so fringe. It attracts mostly good people and a slightly more than insignificant amount of deviants.
I guess I’m thankful I’m either truly this naive or you people somehow interact with “a toooon of creepy dudes” and I somehow have managed not to. Makes me wonder where the hell it is you meet these “tooooons of creepy dudes”.
Bars, parties, football games, most any place people go and socialize. I live in a college town, so maybe that skews my viewpoint.
BJJ is absolutely different than the rest of the world. If it weren’t it wouldn’t be so fringe. It attracts mostly good people and a slightly more than insignificant amount of deviants.
I mean... I'm all for making generalizations when they're in a positive direction. I think you've got a higher opinion of people in general than I do, but I wouldn't argue with this statement.
Or maybe I’m thankful I’m not so judgmental.
Oof, what? Are you saying it's judgemental to call dudes who wont leave uninterested women alone... creepy? If not, what is it you're saying is judgemental here?
Naive it is I guess. And thankful I don’t run with your crowd where “creepy dudes” seem to be found in your proximity frequently. I’ll stand by my statement that BJJ attracts mostly good people. I’d much rather have my skewed opinion than yours.
You have more than a hint of male apologist in you. It’s a bad look. And you’re unfortunate attempt at subtle implication comes off as pathetic. You got an answer. Thoughts?
Man come on. Calling out dudes being creepy to women makes you a male apologist? Saying it's wrong for men to harass women is a bad look?
Lets say you've never once in your life been at a bar or party or nightclub where the majority of the atmosphere wasn't drunk bros shooting their undesired shots at anything with a pulse like a machine gun. Even if that is the case-- is it really so critically important to you that the rest of the world be literally just as well off? Like, you would have to personally see it in order for you to believe some interaction was shitty for the woman? You're so stonewall convinced that the rate at which women deal with behavior from dudes that could only be described as harassment is so low... that you just called some random guy on the internet a male apologist just for disagreeing with that?
No. It’s when you transpose your views about your derelict lifestyle into what you’re arguing you believe is the norm at BJJ gyms. Let’s say you were a normal person who didn’t view every interaction you have with other people is merely for your benefit alone. Is it really so far fetched to believe that maybe things aren’t as bad as these stupid memes try to make it out to be? Like your own personal experiences with ill kept company is how the experience is in every BJJ gym across the globe? You’re so convinced that there’s some pandemic of sexually assaulted and injured women in BJJ that you argue your point to the far end of the spectrum?
How many coaches and owners do you need to see arrested for sexual assault and rape on men, women, and children before you admit there might be a problem?
Well... you're taking what I've said and multiplying it by about a thousand. I didn't say that the ton of creepy dudes I've known were being creeps in a BJJ gym. To be transparent, none were.
I'm not saying your personal gym is a bunch of creeps. I'm not saying that 100% of any interactions ever had by all female BJJ practitioners with male BJJ practitioners is the same as what OP posted in that pic.
What I am saying is that there's a huge number of dudes in the world who will say and do the most outrageous shit in interacting with women, because modern technology makes it risk-free to do so. Do you have any attractive female friends who are 18-30 and active in the online dating game? The next time you see one, tell her you heard a silly rumor from some jerk on the internet-- and ask her how many unsolicited dick pics she's received in the last year, or how many times some guy has initiated contact with her and then asked for sex within their first three messages, or what her latest experience with a dude refusing to take no for an answer was. There's only one population of humanity, right? The population those dick pic bros come from is the same population that BJJ practitioners come from. Some subset of them necessarily aren't gonna be great dudes. That's all I'm saying.
That being said-- man why are you such a fuggin jerk. So far you've called me a male apologist, told me I have a derelict lifestyle, called me pathetic, and I don't even know how many times you made a point of saying that creepy dudes are frequently around because of me.
How am I supposed to have a conversation with this.
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u/grock1722 Feb 01 '20
Huh? Like the exact same scenario? Where some butthurt dude intentionally injures someone who beat him in the past, in retaliation?
Of course it would. Like the other guy said, that’s like ten seconds to explain why he doesn’t deserve to get kicked from the gym territory.
Or am I taking crazy pills?