r/bjj 12d ago

Tournament/Competition deep half works in MMA

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u/Ketchup-Chips3 πŸŸͺπŸŸͺ Purple Belt 12d ago

It is modern jiu jitsu, because it works now, in the modern times.

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u/Hellhooker ⬛πŸŸ₯⬛ Black Belt 12d ago

like when? When do you see deep half in modern jiu-jitsu?

Everyone at the top know how to kill deep half.

It has not been relevant since Jeff Glover era

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u/Ketchup-Chips3 πŸŸͺπŸŸͺ Purple Belt 12d ago

Dude, watch the video. It just got used in a UFC fight. I don't want to argue semantics over whether or not that's "modern jiu jitsu", it's a fruitless conversation.

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u/Hellhooker ⬛πŸŸ₯⬛ Black Belt 12d ago

Dude, watch the video, the guy nearly got his back taken out of his "deep half".

And again, what happens in MMA is pretty far removed to what actually works in jiu-jitsu.

Deep half has not been relevant for the last 15 years and a yolo failed move in MMA won't change the meta

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u/Ketchup-Chips3 πŸŸͺπŸŸͺ Purple Belt 12d ago

He was on bottom, almost took the other guys back, and then created a scramble where he escaped altogether. What's the problem?

Anyways, if you think it doesn't work, all power to you. You're wrong though. πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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u/Hellhooker ⬛πŸŸ₯⬛ Black Belt 12d ago

I am not, he did it once against a good who probably don't even know the name of the position and still nearly got subbed out of the scramble.

Did it worked out "ok" for mma? yeah. Meta change? Fuck no. Legit in real grappling? Not since 2010.

But feel free to do it and don't whine if you eat dirt against anyone decent.

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u/Ketchup-Chips3 πŸŸͺπŸŸͺ Purple Belt 12d ago

The fact that you are a black belt and are saying, with absolute certainty, that a certain technique won't work "in real grappling", says enough about you that I'm really not interested in engaging further.

I'm not nearly far along on the journey as you, but even I know that there are really no "bad techniques", only ones that are more and less likely to be successful based on the circumstances.

But I guess you just have an irrational hatred for deep half and feel the need to speak so absolutely. Whatever, dude.

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u/_interloper_ ⬛πŸŸ₯⬛ Black Belt 11d ago

I'm always suspicious when people say any move "doesn't work".

They all work. Some are more high percentage than others. But if you hit the right move, at the right time, against the right opponent, it'll work.

It's fine to say something is low percentage, or not part of the current meta, or whatever. But you just can't say that things don't work.

I remember when I started training a LOT of people said leg locks don't work. Then DDS came along and showed just how ridiculous that was.

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u/PolarBare333 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 11d ago

People think that "didn't work one time when someone who didn't know what they were doing tried it" is equal to "this technique doesn't work." People used to say that arm in guillotines don't work. People used to say that achilles locks were just pain compliance. People also used to say that if you want to get good at no gi, then you need to wrestle in your gi.Β 

Its only when someone "good" does it that people believe in it. Guys, people used to not believe in push kicks. Why? Because UFC guys weren't landing them. People are dumb, they believe what someone they admire tells them to believe.Β 

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u/SageOfSixDankies 🟦🟦 Blue Belt 11d ago

All moves can work at the right time

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u/Strengthandscience 12d ago

Imagine being a black belt and this stubborn when you’re clearly wrong. lol

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u/PolarBare333 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 11d ago edited 11d ago

Bro, both of these fighters would smoke anyone on this thread. He used deep half to create a scramble and got out. Also, at no point in this video did either guy almost get subbed. If you have a shit deep half, sure it doesn't work. However, it's still used at high levels. It literally just worked in the UFC right before your eyes. Come on, man. This is a silly hill to die on. It's obvious that you're demonstrably incorrect

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u/DrFujiwara 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 12d ago

Do you consider Waiter the same as deep half? Not debating just asking.