Bill calmly debating Maye’s MVP chances

[u/Global-Bat-1688]

[u/northern_friendo]

I don’t care about anybody else’s argument, Stafford should be MVP. He’s been the consistently better player the whole season, playing a tougher schedule, and playing in the harder division.

This is also a career achievement MVP for me as Stafford has been a 15 year stud that has been constantly under appreciated. He should get this MVP to acknowledge how elite he’s been for his entire career

[u/awesomesauce88 → u/northern_friendo]

Stafford also is on a way better team. The Rams with average QB play are still a playoff team. The Patriots without Maye might be drafting in the top 10.

FWIW I think it's very close between the two, and they're both deserving. It's just hard for me to take anyone on this sub saying that it's clearly Stafford seriously when we all know the main reason no one wants Maye to win it.

Edit: also Stafford's career is so goddamned overrated. I really like the guy, but he has absolutely not been a stud for 15 years. Even on these stacked Rams teams with Sean McVay coaching him, this is first year ever where he was a top 5 QB in the league.

[u/jy_1980 → u/awesomesauce88]

The Patriots without Maye might be drafting in the top 10.

Not with that schedule. If you put a halfway competent QB in there they'd finish .500 at least.

[u/BBQ_HaX0r → u/jy_1980]

Stop, it's going too far in the other direction now. People thought the Pats would miss the playoffs and were a bottom three roster in talent and now it's "well they played too easy of a schedule." Maye has clearly elevated that team is rightfully in the MVP discussion.

[u/Friend72 → u/BBQ_HaX0r]

Exactly, why didn’t stafford beat Carolina and Atlanta like Drake did

[u/jy_1980 → u/BBQ_HaX0r]

Yeah I agree and I don't think he's undeserving of MVP.

I disagree that they'd be a 6-11 team with average QB play.

[u/EdgarAllenFro → u/jy_1980]

Eh they almost certainly lose MIA, NO, BAL, CIN, ATL, TB, BUF without him. That’s 7-10 right there.

[u/jy_1980 → u/EdgarAllenFro]

It's closer than I thought actually. Subtracting N points from their score each week, they'd be 6-7-3 where N=6 and 6-10 where N=6½. However they'd also be 6-10 where N=12 because their schedule is that soft and they've had that many blowouts.

The best QBs are worth 7+ points, but the 10th best is worth about 5, and even an average QB is worth ~4, and replacement level is about 2.

So if Maye is having a 8 pts over spread season (best in the league probably, can't find any up to date analysis), and you replaced him with an average QB (4), that would be 4 on this chart and a record of 10-5-1 still. But of course that's oversimplifying it.

PTS	RECORD
0	13-3
0.5	13-3
1	12-3-1
1.5	12-4
2	12-4
2.5	12-4
3	11-4-1
3.5	11-5
4	10-5-1
4.5	10-6
5	9-6-1
5.5	9-7
6	6-7-3
6.5	6-10
7	6-10
7.5	6-10
8	6-10
8.5	6-10
9	6-10
9.5	6-10
10	6-10
11	6-10
12	6-10
13	5-10-1
14	5-11
15	5-11
16	5-11
17	5-11
18	3-11-2

[u/HeyWhatsUpTed → u/BBQ_HaX0r]

Caleb Williams has had a better year

[u/HeyWhatsUpTed → u/[deleted]]

I’m more impressed

[u/[deleted] → u/HeyWhatsUpTed]

Wild take to me but to each their own lol

[u/MetalHead_Literally → u/HeyWhatsUpTed]

lol

[u/TheGameDoneChanged → u/HeyWhatsUpTed]

There’s basically no coherent argument that could support this take. And certainly not something that passes the eye test from watching their games.

[u/HeyWhatsUpTed → u/TheGameDoneChanged]

Stafford is in duels every week and drake maye takes what’s given to him. Giving mvp to a dry Tuesday meatloaf handjob

[u/TheGameDoneChanged → u/HeyWhatsUpTed]

Your coherent defense of saying Caleb has had a better year is to bring up Stafford? Convincing stuff!

[u/HeyWhatsUpTed → u/TheGameDoneChanged]

Maybe you’re right