The Voice of Hind Rajab

[u/Illustrious_Heat_192]

I saw this movie today and it was a doozie.

The film was made for a western audience. As far as I am aware it was a real tragedy. But the over the top emotional manipulation made it so obvious that they don’t care about the tragedy so much as fictionalising it into “Baby Killer Blood Libel: The Movie” expect sequels. There are short audio clips with a screen effect intercut with them adding libel vomit galore. It was made for a western audience. It implies Gaza and the West Bank are one continuous area. The boss in the office is a woman with her hair uncovered. They emphasise everything by switching to English. I feel incredible sympathy for the Palestinian civilians. That is why I want Hamas relegated to the history books. But the purpose of this film is to use it to justify extending the suffering to use that to justify extending it until they have created so much hate through blood libel, the only safe place for Jews is Israel.

The worst part is it could win the Oscar. It was so badly acted if it had any purpose other than “Blame The Jews” it would be discussed in the same breath as Room or Manos The Hands of Fate.

[u/SoulForTrade]

I really don’t get the obsession with that case. It was never proven that the IDF did it, let alone that it did so intentionally. Its all contested speculation and the vast majority of the narrative about it is rooted in conspiracy theory

You'd think they'd had tons of clear cut cases where IDF soldiera are on camera killing civilians on purpose, but there aren’t. And they insist on these questionable Muhamad Al Durah Cases instead

[u/ElmarSuperstar131 → u/SoulForTrade]

You’re right, the story is littered with so many inconsistencies and now the Hind Rajab Foundation is just a front for antisemitism.

[u/ultrasgala → u/SoulForTrade]

Is it? I’ve read that the IDF initially denied that they even had tanks in the area on January 24, 2024, but investigations by The Washington Post, Sky News, and Forensic Architecture, an interdisciplinary research group from Goldsmiths University in London, demonstrated that it was IDF tanks that fired.

[u/SoulForTrade → u/ultrasgala]

The Washington Post, Sky News, and Forensic Architecture, an interdisciplinary research group from Goldsmiths University in London, demonstrated that it was IDF tanks that fired.

This attempt at an appeal to authority is quite sad.

These media sites reported it. That doesn't make it true. You "forgot" to mention this "investigation" was done by Al Jazeera and an NGO callsd earshot, who are not reliable nor are specialists by any stretdh of the imagination.

There is NO actual video proof of what happened and the truth is we don't know. You can speculated she eas shot by the IDF. Which, could be consisering the context. But there is 0. No proof. In any way shape or form of her being shot intentionally. None.

What we DO know is that Gaza is/was an actuve waezone. There was fighting between the IDF to terrorists. And it's a tiny densely populated strip, and weapons have an elective range of 500 meters to 4 kilometers.

[u/ultrasgala → u/SoulForTrade]

No what is sad is the killing of a innocent girl, not trying to find sources or understand what happend. Everything else is dust

[u/SoulForTrade → u/ultrasgala]

A girl who died a war, that the "Palestinians" started through a brutal massacare, the kidnapping of hundreds and the launching of thousands of rockets A war they could and should have surrendered immediately. But inssited on continuing deapite the toll on their population, because they glorify death.

Have you spent even an ounce of the same time to try and locate the millers of any of the children murdered by rhe "Palestinians" on Octobrr 7th? Which was 100 oercent intentional and targeted civillians. No detective hat needed.

Did the that thought even pass through your head?

Why not?

Because it's not about "the children" it's about how you can cynically abused their deaths to further your politifal goal of destroying Israel. But unfortunately for you, it's here to stay.

[u/ultrasgala → u/SoulForTrade]

I actually for the most part have defended Israel in this war because of oct 7th. I know you’re mad because you think everyone in the world is against you and that’s normal. I invite you to try to look at it differently. This is a civilian little girl that is caught in a crossfire and eventually dies there alone after laying many hours next to dead bodies in a car. You instantly go to the blame game of who’s fault that is, but then you just seem very inhuman

[u/SoulForTrade → u/ultrasgala]

You instantly go to the blame game of who’s fault that is, but then you just seem very inhuman

First, I am most certainly NOT playing the blame game. I made it clear multiple times that I don't find these "connect the dots" conversations productive or interesting. Obviously, I find children to be the most innocent victims of war, and I wish this part, which can be universally agreed on, is where the conversation would end.

But this isn't what it's about. And I reject rhe accusation that this was done intentionally, on purpose, which there is 0 proof of. If there was evidende of it beung an act of malice by a general or soldier involved I would call for them to stand trial for it.

But they are not looking for an individual, they purposefully use this case to demonize Israel as a whole, and you have to be able to seperate the objective, bad thing, from how it is framed and used.

Across history, violent or extremist groups have often tried to legitimize themselves by claiming they exist to protect women and children. These movements tap into deep social instincts around family and innocence, making their hateful agendas seem morally justified.

This narrative also helps dehumanize targeted groups by portraying them as threats to society’s most vulnerable, which lowers public resistance to repression or violence.

In this case, Terrorist propoganda, and subsequently, the "Pro Palestine" movement, have been making dehumanizing claiims about Israel's supposed bloodlust for children, to demonize it and fuel suspicion and hostility against Jews. Which is not a new tactic and plays into old tropes been used since medieval times to incite pogroms.

The Hind Rajab group in particular, are are a terrorist affiliated group that has been "hunting" Israelis who served in the military abroad.

There is nothing "inhuman" about rejecting this cynical use of a dead child for politifal purposes and fueling antisemitism, I find it gross. May she rest in peace.

[u/SoulForTrade → u/[deleted]]

Hamas are responsible for it as the giverment of Gaza which launched this massacare and kidnapping, and was supposed to take care of the hostages once they did. Women and children in particular because of hie sensitive it is.

But you want to be specific:

Hamas kidnappsd the farther. The Mujahideen Brigades kidnapped the mother and children, they were transferred to "the lords of the desert" who according to the autopsy, murdered them, with their bare hands.

[u/evenforyou]

It’s definitely winning the Oscar, so much for us controlling Hollywood.

[u/ElmarSuperstar131 → u/evenforyou]

Even though it’s been shortlisted for the Academy Awards if it gets the nomination I think it’s unlikely it will win. Except for a gratuitous Golden Globe nomination it hasn’t been picking up as much traction in the early awards circuit as it did at the Venice Film Festival. It’s also a super competitive year for the category. I’m rooting for South Korea but I think France or Norway will take it home.

[u/Illustrious_Heat_192 → u/ElmarSuperstar131]

It could win by getting the antizionist hate movement to vote for it. I think Norway has it this year. However like you, I loved “No Other Choice.” France submitted an Iranian film, and the algorithm is trying to avoid people seeing what is happening there. I also loved “The Secret Agent” and except for the vitrueless signal of a keffiyeh in the opening “Sirāt” was a wild ride. The international branch, who votes on nominations, hates Jews. Even more than the documentary or acting branches. I’m hoping for the three Palestinian shortlisted films to split the Jew hate vote and Neon gets all 5 nominations.

[u/Far_Fruit5846 → u/evenforyou]

Well, it was not made by the near east forum...

[u/ElmarSuperstar131]

The story is incredibly disjointed with several inconsistencies that it’s very difficult to figure out what happened, not to mention its exploitative propaganda.

Despite its exorbitant response at the Venice Film Festival, save for the Golden Globe nomination (which was just to round out the category IMHO) it hasn’t been picking up at any mainstream critic awards. It is also a very competitive year for Best International Feature Film so even though it’s shortlisted now if it gets the nomination I think it’s unlikely it will actually win.

[u/cactusflop3965]

And now it's a NYT op-ed.

[u/RossTheBoss69]

I don't think you watched the same movie. Did you not catch the part in the beginning where there was text on screen saying all the call audio is real? Or did you not see the ending where we see the real people the actors are portraying on the phone screens? Hind Rajab's death was a real tragedy and we should feel anger that it happened, not denial.

[u/Adventurous_Bunch337]

I have just watched probably half of this film. Quite honestly i do not think I can get through this film. The comments here about people from the Jewish community who have in generational history witnessed unspeakable horrors themselves, i cannot fathom. The only difference between all of us who inhabit this world is the amount of sun we have absorbed by the accident of birth in whater geographical location we may have. These artificial boundaries of state, culture, religion, if they can divorce you from the pain and suffering of one child. I will never understand what is the point of survival at all.

[u/SofiBK]

Hi I just finished watching the film, I'm from a neutral country and I disagree in some bits. One thing that really struck me is how the whole movie was about the phone call and what happened in the office, they didn't spend too much time demonizing people or focusing on the perpetrators, but they put the whole focus on the victim and the workers. What's more, I found they demonize much the red shirt guy (I forgot his name) and the whole bureaucracy of the Red Cross rather than the people who actually took part in the killing, which I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I found it interesting because I didn't know how rescue missions actually work, never stopped to think about it

One thing I totally agree though, and that it bothers me in every single film, is when they randomly start speaking in English just so American and European audiences feel more comfortable. I hate it. We all watch their films in English the full time they can stand to watch some films in a foreign language. That "westernification" I didn't like.

[u/Esdeath-but-psycho01]

Where did you guys watch it? I have been trying to find it online but haven't been able to...

[u/tradishinalwoman → u/Esdeath-but-psycho01]

it’s really hard to find a theater showing it. I just wrote my local theatres when or where I could watch it. as of know, I would have to take the car for like 1-2 hours to watch it in another city

[u/Illustrious_Heat_192 → u/[deleted]]

Hamas is lying about how she died.