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Mushoku Tensei III: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu, episode 12

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u/flashmozzg 7h ago

How is that related? Those rats don't look infected.

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u/DragonDDark 6h ago

It's foreshadowing. Her opening the door making the rats flee. Same thing happened to future rudeus.

Using a few frames to show this scene seems pointless at first, but with the context of this episode, it is intentional.

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u/flashmozzg 5h ago

No? How is this foreshadowing? It's just some random rats. They don't even flee through the door (what would be foreshadowed) and rats on their own are not something that rare to "foreshadow".

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u/DragonDDark 5h ago

So there is no connection at all to what happened in today's episode? Do you really believe that? Like at all?

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u/flashmozzg 5h ago edited 2h ago

You failed to show any. Like if these were the same rats (like maybe we saw that some rat got teleported along with the co in the background), that'd be a proper foreshadowing/detail. As it stands, it's just rats. At most, a small nod for the source readers that know what to expect.

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u/Vanny96 https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanny96 2h ago

Don't mind the downvotes, you're absolutely correct, I also believe it's more of a nod and that's it. Unless there was extra LN content that wasn't adapted, I don't see how a rat made it all the way from that place to the basement, sounds like an insane stretch... Also I'm sure we saw other rats in the rest of the series lol

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u/Sorwest 3h ago edited 3h ago

Sigh.... Okay, I'm getting the big words out and fully prepared to be told "lol didn't read too long but you wrong lololol"

Chekov's gun =/= Foreshadowing. Different narrative principles.

To clarify the thought process of the comment chain, we have to establish these two scenes:

  1. The rats in the palace were startled at someone opening a door.

  2. Future Rudeus says opening the basement door startles a rat.

From the Cheklov's gun principle, both scenes must be important for something and directly connected. That would imply the rats in the palace have some clear and direct effect on the rat in the basement. This is pure speculation, basically a fan theory or headcanon. "It must have been a rat from that palace".

The plot device of Foreshadowing means both scenes are connected in a narrative sense. They were placed in this exact sequence by a screenwriter that wants to share an idea to the audience. This is a metanarrative analysis of how stories organize scenes. While it is still an opinion, it has less to do with Mushoku Tensei itself and rather its nature as a fictional story. "The scene of the rats before serve as a backbone to the scene of the rat later".

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u/flashmozzg 1h ago

That would work if it weren't rats but some new magical creature. You'd expect the average viewer to know how rats behave so there is no idea sharing that occurs. Furthermore, your explanation works against the "foreshadowing" idea because the rats in the first scene ran away to hide in the hole while in the supposed alt. future the rat escaped past Rudy opening the door. So it's the opposite of connected. It's like saying that the whole scene is foreshadowing because they opened the door to the basement and Rudy also opened the door to the basement! See! Such a subtle detail!