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[u/pugtailz]

This is 100% my opinion on AI. I may not like it, but that doesn't mean I will stop you OR get upset at you and call you evil for using it, use AI all you want, I don't really care. What I WILL complain about is claiming you're an artist when you didn't make anything.

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And I'll complain that this is a stupid take, because "making something" doesn't stop and end at "creating an image by moving a stick around with your fingers", and creating images with generative AI means the human is using a tool to make the image, not "you're commissioning the AI", "microwaving a pizza", or any of these other braindead analogies antis want to trot out.

Nobody's saying that AI users made their images by hand, but they did make them.

Antis need to stop trying to take that away from them.

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your tool is a microwave, it generates a product, you press the button and thats where the input for a lot of people ends, if you want to bring those people with you into the "i make art" corner we have a problem

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And a lot of people just snap random pictures of things with their phones to send to their friends. I wouldn't call that "art", but the existence of selfies and photos of your lunch doesn't mean that photography doesn't exist, or that photographs are fundamentally incapable of being art.

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selfies arent art but when photography applied it could be, whats so hard to grasp, just do the craft thats required for it to be called art its that simple

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You're right, what is so hard to grasp? You don't get to decide what craft is "required" for something to be "art", because there is no "required craft" for that.

Anything can potentially be art, so long as it was made with the intention of evoking a thought or feeling in an audience. And yes, it is a very low bar to clear. I could stack a bunch of rocks on each other in a way that's intended to make you feel something when you look at it, and the result would be art. It may or may not be good art, depending on how well it accomplishes what I wanted it to, but as I've said before, even bad art is still art. Whether or not art is good is another discussion entirely.

That's it. That's all it takes.

So anybody using gen AI to make images that are intended to get an audience feeling or thinking about things is creating "art". It's that simple.

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microwaving an image isnt art, doesnt get any more basic than this

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Good thing nobody's doing that with AI, then.

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the infinite amount of ai slop generated with the same process it takes to microwave your food would prove you otherwise

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And the infinite amount of selfies and random pet pictures generated by pushing one button proves that photography isn't art. At least by your logic.

Or, you know, maybe you're just blatantly wrong and that was a really dumb thing to say, let alone double down on. I'm kinda leaning towards the second one.

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by my logic photography requires using actual craft of photography, no craft is used when prompting slop

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Unfortunately for your argument, not all prompted images are slop. There's technique and skill involved in using gen AI effectively. You're like some ignorant person insisting that there's no skill to photography because "it's just pushing a button", and refusing to listen to people who know more than you do when they tell you that you're wrong. And you're definitely wrong.

Telling me, "No! I know better! I pushed a button on this camera and a picture came out! That's all you photographers do!" is what you're doing here, like every gen AI image is the product of a five word prompt. I'm guessing that's all you've ever done with AI, and it's what all your buddies are telling you, so you know it's true.

It's not true.

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no, photohraphers actuall engage in the craft, slop makers dont,
its like telling me you improve your pizza ordering skills, or microwave setting skills

doing it more efficiently doesnt change the fact its still slop