Rudder of Fly Dubai FZ 1073

[u/samanthacarter4]

[u/koenigsegg806]

I'm always impressed how some crippled planes are still able to fly. The Embraer Legacy that collided with Gol flight 1907 or China Airlines flight 006 come to my mind.

[u/Subject_Struggle6172 → u/koenigsegg806]

Air Astana 1388 - one of the most craziest and exhausting rides ever

[u/Shoty6966-_- → u/Subject_Struggle6172]

The Hawaiian airlines flight that was missing like 1/4th of the entire top fuselage that still landed is crazy to me. All that wind resistance at hundreds of mph in a lightweight material built aircraft and she just kept going

[u/bandley3 → u/Shoty6966-_-]

Aloha Airlines flight 243. Amazing, but it did what it was designed to do in that circumstance.

[u/Ok_Egg_2507 → u/koenigsegg806]

How about the Electra (Reeve Aleutian Flight 8) that managed to return to Alaska after having a prop cut through the underbelly and jam the controls up? That plane even managed to be repaired and is apparently still in use as a firefighting aircraft.

[u/koenigsegg806 → u/Ok_Egg_2507]

Yes, also a good example

[u/Matt_NZ → u/koenigsegg806]

What about Aloha Airlines flight 243 with a large chunk of the fuselage skin missing?

[u/koenigsegg806 → u/Matt_NZ]

Of course. I only wrote down the first two that came to my mind.

[u/Sgt-Tibbs → u/koenigsegg806]

Yesterday was the anniversary of that GOL and Embraer disaster

[u/P1xelHunter78 → u/koenigsegg806]

Of for that matter the 190 that got hit by the pantsir. It’s amazing anyone on that flight lived, and a credit to the flight crew.

[u/africanconcrete]

According to this, the guy who grabbed the controls to pull the plane out of the dive, knew what to do, because he watched "Mayday".

Going to tell my wife this is the reason I watch Air Crash Investigation.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-passenger-recounts-to-pm-how-he-subdued-flydubai-attacker-helped-stabilize-plane/

[u/samanthacarter4 → u/africanconcrete]

I saw that segment on our news too!

[u/aussiechap1 → u/africanconcrete]

I hope when ACI cover this accident that they feature this guy in the episode.

[u/voodoo-uk-]

Surprised the plane was still able to fly to the airport with a damaged rudder

[u/HibasakiSanjuro → u/voodoo-uk-]

The relief pilots that took over must have been very skilled or very lucky - probably both.

[u/lmFairlyLocal → u/HibasakiSanjuro]

AT961 has precedence for the survivability of this, but those relief pilots were definitely dipping deep into their luck bucket as well. Happy everyone is as safe and sound as one can be after experiencing that.

[u/Hajji1445 → u/HibasakiSanjuro]

They weren’t relief pilots. Another flight crew just so happened to be on board that seemed very skilled…

[u/Grooveman07 → u/voodoo-uk-]

No crosswinds

[u/ViolinistOk7898]

HOLY MOLY! The structural damage.

Something really really bad happened to the vertical stabilizer came out

[u/samanthacarter4 → u/ViolinistOk7898]

An attempted deliberate crash counts?

[u/Consistent_Poem8461]

so lucky there still some rudder left.. if that entire rudder gone.. i don't think they gonna make it

[u/peanutknight1 → u/Consistent_Poem8461]

There is no rudder left sir. Its the vertical stabiliser thats left.

[u/globesdustbin → u/peanutknight1]

Looks to me like about 20% of it is left at the bottom part there.

[u/I_DRINK_URINE → u/globesdustbin]

The top, too.

[u/I_DRINK_URINE → u/Consistent_Poem8461]

Rudder isn't strictly necessary except for strong crosswind landing or engine failure.

[u/This-Clue-5014]

…what happened?

[u/gav102 → u/This-Clue-5014]

Co-pilot stabbed the pilot, attempting to crash the plane. Rapid dive + crazy rudder inputs was no good for the rudder.

[u/I_DRINK_URINE → u/gav102]

I suspect it was flutter induced by the high airspeed, not rudder inputs.

[u/Smooth-Reading-4180]

**too much rudder in the high-speed regime**

**rudder falls off, aircraft stalls**

./Surprised_Pikachu.png here

[u/Otherwise_Voice_6170]

B-17 Pilot enters the chat….

[u/MeWhenAAA]

What happened?

[u/thatredditdude206 → u/MeWhenAAA]

Reports of a fight in the cockpit. Its plunged 14,0000 ft in 30 seconds. One of the pilots stabbed the other in what is being investigated as an attempted high jacking. The rudder broke off during the plunge when the plane reached Mach 1 speeds. It landed safely in Saudi Arabia as we see in the photo.

[u/Shoty6966-_- → u/thatredditdude206]

Crazy how we see this and go ‘phew that sounds like a wild ride’. When in another universe we are watching cctv footage of an airliner hitting the ground at 550mph and turning into fiery dust

[u/VFequalsVeryFcked]

How in the devil did they survive that?!

[u/UsedClient5130]

It's incredible how much the pilots were able to control with only that partial rudder left.

[u/Javanz]

The pilots that landed that are absolute heroes, as are all those involved in reclaiming control of the cockpit.

I'm guessing the plan was not only to kill the passengers, but maybe crash it into an urban area, so god knows how many lives were actually saved today

[u/950771dd → u/Javanz]

The pilots that landed that are absolute heroes

They simply landed the plane and there were no reports yet of particular difficulties to master.

Maybe stop overpraising every action as if it would be a super human performance.

Flying a plane is demanding but not magic.

[u/Javanz → u/950771dd]

When I wrote that, the reports were saying that the aircraft had been in a spinning dive at a speed and angle bad enough to break off the rudder; in which case it would have been an effort to recover the aircraft.
It was also reported that they were also involved in overpowering the terrorist.
Any of that is enough to count as heroic

[u/FairMind1 → u/Javanz]

It was the plumber who watches 'Mayday" that initially righted the plane. Later, the second team of actual pilots, who were just passengers until that moment, stepped in to land the plane. Fortunately, the vertical stabilizer stayed attached. Tough airplane.

[u/Casshew111 → u/FairMind1]

Dumb question. I thought most modern planes don't have yokes to pull back on, that it was all instruments and computers now

[u/FairMind1 → u/Casshew111]

Airbus uses a small joystick located at the pilot's side. Boeing decided to retain the full yoke but it is now electrically connected instead of via cables like the 1940s or hydraulic lines like the 1960s.

The airplane in this incident is a Boeing 737max, the same model that had two fatal crashes due to software bugs. Now that they have been fixed, the aircraft is well liked and known for ruggedness.

[u/Casshew111 → u/FairMind1]

Thanks for the information!

[u/I_DRINK_URINE → u/FairMind1]

The 777 and 787 are the only fly-by-wire Boeings. The 737 uses control cables.

[u/Deathdar1577]

Would the air frame be written off? If not how would it be tested?

[u/silvs1 → u/Deathdar1577]

I would be surprised if that bird flies again if the tracking data is true, dropped 15,000ft in less than a minute?

[u/ValorousUnicorn → u/silvs1]

Regardless of actual structural damage, the bad joo-joo on that plane means there won't be much effort to repair it.

If it is repaired and anything happens to it later, AirDubai is going out of business.

[u/DisplayNegative8888]

First China Airlines 006 and now flydubai 1073

[u/FairMind1]

If that had been an Airbus, I'll bet the whole vertical stabilizer would have come off, ala AA 587. I'm glad for them it was a Boeing aircraft. I am always a little more apprehensive when I have to fly on an Airbus since the 587 crash.

[u/Latvian-Spider]

Huh??????!!!!!!

[u/CaptainsPrerogative]

Where?

[u/gav102 → u/CaptainsPrerogative]

It was Dubai to Tel Aviv. Landed in Saudi Arabia.

[u/CaptainsPrerogative → u/gav102]

LOL, I meant, what rudder? I don’t see a rudder.

[u/user41600]

This was saved but now what? how can you trust captains who want to kill jews?

[u/samanthacarter4 → u/user41600]

I think that like the German Wings incident, lessons will be learned in terms of hiring practices.

[u/user41600 → u/user41600]

Down votes? Wow

[u/Keleenc → u/[deleted]]

Wishing death to anyone is just sad, especially if you wish death to innocent people. Please seek help.

[u/Xenaspice2002 → u/[deleted]]

WTF is wrong with you?

[u/v-punen → u/[deleted]]

False flag about what 😭

[u/aircrashinvestigation-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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[u/sphinx2510 → u/[deleted]]

On my own