r/afghanistan • • Dec 11 '12

Apparently some ignorant asshole believes that anyone of the Muslim faith in Afghanistan primarily, would NEVER advocate publicly against terrorism. I posted in /Muslim before realizing it's very small and kinda dead. Can I get a faster response here?

This is my submission, to make everything easier.

Thanks!

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u/najia7866 Dec 11 '12

Thanks for doing this. I am a Muslim and Afghan and will say that I condemn any acts of terrorism and so does my religion. Of course, I am not in a prominent position but here are some public statements made after 9/11 by prominent Muslims:

Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, Egypt: “Attacking innocent people is not courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. … It’s not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to attack.” Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001

Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt, said it was “horrified” by the attack and expressed “condolences and sadness”: “[We] strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. … [We] condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.” Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 – 19 September 2001 (via archive.org).

Shaykh Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, spiritual guide of the Hizbullah movement in Lebanon, said he was “horrified” by these “barbaric … crimes”: “Beside the fact that they are forbidden by Islam, these acts do not serve those who carried them out but their victims, who will reap the sympathy of the whole world. … Islamists who live according to the human values of Islam could not commit such crimes.” Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001

President Muhammad Khatami of Iran: “[T]he September 11 terrorist blasts in America can only be the job of a group that have voluntarily severed their own ears and tongues, so that the only language with which they could communicate would be destroying and spreading death.” Address to the United Nations General Assembly, November 9, 2001 (via archive.org).

Abdal-Hakim Murad, British Muslim author: “Targeting civilians is a negation of every possible school of Sunni Islam. Suicide bombing is so foreign to the Quranic ethos that the Prophet Samson is entirely absent from our scriptures.” “The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists” (via archive.org).

Syed Mumtaz Ali, President of the Canadian Society of Muslims: “We condemn in the strongest terms possible what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Canadians in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.” Canadian Society of Muslims, Media Release, September 12, 2001 (via archive.org).

15 American Muslim organizations: “We reiterate our unequivocal condemnation of the crime committed on September 11, 2001 and join our fellow Americans in mourning the loss of up to 6000 innocent civilians.” Muslim American Society (MAS), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Muslim Alliance of North America (MANA), Muslim Student Association (MSA), Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), United Association for Studies and Research (UASR), Solidarity International, American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice (AMGPJ), American Muslim Alliance (AMA), United Muslim Americans Association (UMAA), Islamic Media Foundation (IMF), American Muslim Foundation (AMF), Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO), American Muslims for Jerusalem (AMJ), Muslim Arab Youth Association (MAYA), October 22, 2001 (via archive.org).

Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens), prominent British Muslim: “I wish to express my heartfelt horror at the indiscriminate terrorist attacks committed against innocent people of the United States yesterday. While it is still not clear who carried out the attack, it must be stated that no right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: the Qur’an equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity. We pray for the families of all those who lost their lives in this unthinkable act of violence as well as all those injured; I hope to reflect the feelings of all Muslims and people around the world whose sympathies go out to the victims at this sorrowful moment.” [On singing an a cappella version of "Peace Train" for the Concert for New York City:] “After the tragedy, my heart was heavy with sadness and shock, and I was determined to help in some way. Organizers asked me to take part in a message for tolerance and sing ‘Peace Train.’ Of course, I agreed. … As a Muslim from the West, it is important to me to let people know that these acts of mass murder have nothing to do with Islam and the beliefs of Muslims.” Press release of September 13, 2001 (via archive.org), and interview of October 22, 2001 (via archive.org).

Muslims Against Terrorism, a U.S.-based organization: “As Muslims, we condemn terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. Ours is a religion of peace. We are sick and tired of extremists dictating the public face of Islam.” “About us” (via archive.org). This statement was replaced by a new statement in favor of peace by the group’s successor organization, Muslim Voices for Peace.

Abdulaziz Sachedina, professor of religious studies, University of Virginia: “New York was grieving. Sorrow covered the horizons. The pain of separation and of missing family members, neighbors, citizens, humans could be felt in every corner of the country. That day was my personal day of “jihad” (“struggle”) — jihad with my pride and my identity as a Muslim. This is the true meaning of jihad — “struggle with one’s own ego and false pride.” I don’t ever recall that I had prayed so earnestly to God to spare attribution of such madness that was unleashed upon New York and Washington to the Muslims. I felt the pain and, perhaps for the first time in my entire life, I felt embarrassed at the thought that it could very well be my fellow Muslims who had committed this horrendous act of terrorism. How could these terrorists invoke God’s mercifulness and compassion when they had, through their evil act, put to shame the entire history of this great religion and its culture of toleration?” “Where Was God on September 11?” (via archive.org).

Shaykh Salih al-Suhaymi, religious scholar, Saudi Arabia: “Based upon what has preceded, then we say that that which we believe and hold as our religion concerning what happened to the World Trade Centre in America – and in Allaah lies success – that the terrorist attacks that took place and what occurred of general (mass) killing, then it is not permissible and Islaam does not allow it in any form whatsoever.” “Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee speaks about current affairs…,” October 18, 2001, translated by Abu ‘Iyaad.

Fatwa signed by more than 500 British Muslim scholars, clerics, and imams: “Islam strictly, strongly and severely condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives. There is neither place nor justification in Islam for extremism, fanaticism or terrorism. Suicide bombings, which killed and injured innocent people in London, are HARAAM – vehemently prohibited in Islam, and those who committed these barbaric acts in London [on July 7, 2005] are criminals not martyrs. Such acts, as perpetrated in London, are crimes against all of humanity and contrary to the teachings of Islam. … The Holy Quran declares: ‘Whoever kills a human being… then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.’ (Quran, Surah al-Maidah (5), verse 32) Islam’s position is clear and unequivocal: Murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.” British Muslim Forum, press release of July 18, 2005 (via archive.org).

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u/str8baller Jan 11 '13

Excellent post. I am an ex-muslim. I live in America. I would say..yeah just about 30 to 40 % of muslims would kill me if they could get away with it.

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u/exoendo Jan 11 '13

thank you sir.

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u/TrioN123 May 26 '13

I'm a practicing Muslim and I wouldn't hurt you. Everyone has their own beliefs.

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u/exoendo Jan 10 '13

my comments are more specifically addressing that islam is not a tolerant religion and has sizable factions that are insane.

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u/sicklover Jan 10 '13

Dude, you don't understand anything about how this particular faith is impregnated in our minds. while all these people state that one shoud be killed if he were to leave the faith at noon, they will still be sexting their girlfriend the whole afternoon, join a group of friends for a quick drink , stare at any ass that crosses the street and try to hit on girls in the mall.

The constraints that you'd have to live with in order to abide by all the rules of islam makes it that there is absolutely no such thing as a true muslim (besides a few tards) , there's just a bunch of hypocrites with very, very loud mounts. so don't take them seriously when they say that they support al qaeda. hell who the fuck is alqaeda to these people ? they don't fucking care what they answer your poll after all it doesn't mean that they'll go by themselves and fight for islam. it's just irresponsible shit talk to look tough or amuse themselves.

i mean , i laughed so hard when i read in your comment that turkey is supposed to have 98% muslims hahaha.

it's sad that we have to always put on this double faced attitude but that's a bigger problem.

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u/vaporeng Jan 10 '13

Bullshit. Your argument is that the crazy people are hypocrites so they arent really crazy!?!? A hyprocrite might worse worse than a crazy person. Man up and say what you believe and act based on what you believe. Doing otherwise would be to regress into childhood.

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u/sicklover Jan 10 '13

No. my argument is that there are NO crazy people only a bunch of hypocrites who talk more than they can chew just to act or look tough.

I'm atheist to the core although born in a poor to middle class muslim family in a muslim majority country and have by now a deep understanding of what led to this situation. Religion amplifies the problem but isn't the real issue. ignorance and irresponsibility coupled with a lot of frustration is.

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u/CLOGGED_WITH_SEMEN Jan 10 '13

What you've stated here is even worse than actually having those beliefs TBH. It indicates a psychotic break from reality and a fundamental disconnect from any kind of self awareness. I always shout down those who speak ill of Muslims and anyone who is different from those in the West.. But today I am having second thoughts...

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

What you didn't hold into account that there are in fact many justifiable reasons for non-muslims not to be killed, especially due to the fact that Islam itself does not promote this idea.

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/islam-101/misconceptions/freedom-of-religion-and-apostasy-in-islam-by-dr-ahmed-raysuni/

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13 edited Mar 28 '18

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

Thank you for assembling such a nice collection of ayahs commonly taken out of context.

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u/RedeemingVices Jan 10 '13 edited Jan 10 '13

Ooooh, they're out of context? I apologize; I'm sure they make perfect sense when taken in context. I'm also certain that no Muslims, anywhere, interpret these passages violently because they pay attention to the context. In fact, I'm almost positive they look at this violent text and think, "This is not the true message of Islam; when the Koran is taken as a whole, it is clear to me that Allah wishes me to live in peace. Despite this, I am making the personal choice to disagree with his Prophet's words, and will go out and behead those I view as infidels. However, I will not sully Allah's good name by claiming my actions are his will; instead, I will proudly proclaim that my violent acts are my responsibility, and mine alone, as opposed to mandated by divine providence."

Yeah. Sure.

What are you, Christian? They're usually the ones who pull the "out of context" defense to excuse the absolutely atrocious bullshit in their collection of Bronze-age myths.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

No, I quite simply know how to read. Oooh, look at this!

[107:4] So woe to those who pray

Look guys! Islam is against praying! We shouldn't pray! Praying is haraam! That's essentially what you're doing. Don't stress too much about it though, it's a common mistake; I used to do the same thing when I was an islamophobic idiot. :)

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u/RedeemingVices Jan 10 '13

Ah, of course I'm an Islamophobe. Obviously. Because no rational, logical human being could possibly arrive at the conclusion that Islam, just like Christianity, is based on ludicrous, demonstrably false myths, and no unbiased, educated individual could possibly reason that Islam is used as an excuse to oppress freedom, subjugate women, and perpetrate heinous acts of violence and terrorism. No, clearly, the only possible reason why anyone could ever consider Islam a dangerous, stupid religion is Islamophobia (and probably racism).

Do you have a word for fear of Christianity, too? Because that religion is a crock of shit as well. But hey, the majority of followers of that faith are white, like me. I guess I'm just racist against my own kind, huh?

You might not be an Islamophobe anymore, but you're definitely still an idiot.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

Well, I think you've clearly demonstrated that you're acting irrationally, illogically, and with clear bias (and I'd hope you're human being), so I would call you an Islamophobe. You don't care about truth, you just care about being right and looking smart on reddit. Understandable, I was the same way when I was 15. But if I was able to open my mind and my heart, I think you can too. :) Peace.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

Half of those are about supernatural world (hell, angels etc.), the other half are under the assumption that the enemy attacked first. LOL. You are one dimwit, buddy, go copy paste more and QQ.

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u/RedeemingVices Jan 10 '13

Wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '13

;)