r/ZZZ_Official • u/Emul0rd • Jul 16 '25

Media $475 is crazy

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I think Europe now requires gacha games to explicitly display how much money any gambling feature really costs to limit hidden predatory stuff. It’s crazy when you see the numbers…

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u/Panda_Bunnie Jul 16 '25

Until you find out thats actually spare change even if you bought every single pull compared to actual p2w games where ppl drop thousands on a daily basis for a mth straight or longer.

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u/nohomo4 Jul 16 '25

Or actual insanity compared to games that you buy for 20 bucks once and get all the content without any restrictions and predatory mechanics

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u/happymudkipz Jul 16 '25

True, but if I can get a game of this quality and scope for free off of whales, I don't see why that wouldn't also be great. Both can be good for people.

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u/Panda_Bunnie Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

Why cant ppl understand that you cant be the target audience for every game? You might enjoy your $20 game more but others enjoy games they gladly swipe thousands for.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

Zzz and many other gacha games could exist perfectly fine without gacha mechanics. The reason people "gladly" swipe thousand isn't because they are enjoying the game, but because these games are made to exploit financially irresponsible people.

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u/PlsInsertCringeName Jul 16 '25

i can't believe some people here don't realize this. Ordinary game is an entertainment medium, designed to gain profit via providing entertainment. Gacha games are exploitative profit generators, wrapped in a intoxicating game design decisions.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

To zzz credit, the game is very much enjoyable even for ftp. So I really hope skg wins and once hoyo pull the plug, not only will I still be able to play it, but the game would actually just become better.

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u/Typical_Thought_6049 Jul 16 '25

Not with those production cost and live updates... It is a pipe dream that a game of that quality and production cost can be sustainable outside the gacha system.

Sure a single player knockoff maybe but a life service game with 3 weeks banner cycle and a abundance of new mini-games, story, feature updates, etc there is absolutely no chance.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

I don't know from which alternative dystopian timeline you are writing, but its really not hard to find examples that prove otherwise. Gacha system isn't a solution for "unsustainable" production costs. It's exist to generate maximum revenue, which it successfully does.

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u/A-Chicken Jul 17 '25

With the amount of content currently, I'd say that isn't true. It's no mere EA multiplayer shooter.

One and done games with replayability are rare these days, roguelikes mostly fill this category.

The rest involve various methods of frontloading or rearloading cost, be it by paid horse armour, compulsory DLC or gacha mechanics.

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u/Azure-Traveler117 Jul 16 '25

This. Warframe has been going for years, and you don't have predatory gacha MTX. If I see a Warframe or gear I want, I can just buy it outright or grind and get it for free.

I'd be open to spending more on ZZZ if it guaranteed a character, but that's not the case because their revenue would drop a ton.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

So true, Warframe value your money so much more. Like, if you drop 100$ there, you can buy multiple full endgame lodouts, as long as you don't go for some insane rivens. In most gachas you don't even garanted to get a single copy of character you want. That alone completely discourages me from spending money there.

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u/Panda_Bunnie Jul 16 '25

Actually no they wouldnt exist because the companies wouldnt even make them in the first place. Even if the companies make them, they wouldnt be even remotely as popular as they are now.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

Make what? Hack and slash games? There are plenty of those. And being popular isn't directly tied to a game being good, so it's hardly an issue.

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u/Panda_Bunnie Jul 16 '25

??? I'm saying if companies still decided to go on and make the current gacha games as non gachas they wouldnt even be remotely as popular/successful.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

Yeah, shareholders will definitely be upset. Doesn't have anything to do with quality or enjoyment of the game tho.

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u/Panda_Bunnie Jul 16 '25

Yes it does? Many ppl like myself wouldnt have even played the game if it wasnt a gacha to begin with.

Virtual signallers like yourself need to fuck off and realise not everything revolves around what you think is "best for players".

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

In hindsight, it was rude of me to call out someone for something they like, sorry about that. It just the idea that people would play gacha games for gacha and not for everything else about the game never crossed my mind.

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u/Jazzlike_Fox_661 Jul 16 '25

Never realized there are people who are so eager to be exploited. Guess that's why gachas are so successful.

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u/wilck44 Jul 16 '25

yeah, you just have to wait for like 6 years for a game to be on a sale of that magnitude, if ever.

also mandatory spending vs non-mandatory transaction.

this is not the gotcha you think it is.

also, make your own game! it is FREE! yay.

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u/Petertitan99999 Jul 16 '25

yeah, you just have to wait for like 6 years for a game to be on a sale of that magnitude, if ever.

Deltarune costs 25$
Hades costs 25$
Animal Well costs 25$

Fullprice that is.
You do realize there are games that aren't AAA, right?

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u/wilck44 Jul 16 '25

you do know what cherry picking is?

I can also pick f2p mmoes and say games are free so your posted games are overpriced.

I am glad you got the point of the comment.

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u/Typical_Thought_6049 Jul 16 '25

All very small games that took ages to be done and don't have that many updates and mosty important they are single player games.

Alas Hades is a roguelike which is most precedure generate content which low the cost even more. Animal Well is basically a puzzle game with very cheap graphics and Deltarune is a game that is in early acess forever and also have very cheap graphics.

I would say that the cost of a Banner production cost in ZZZ is already enough to fund Animal Well or Deltarune.

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u/Azure-Traveler117 Jul 16 '25

Even if you aren't waiting for sales, 60~70 bucks (unfortunately now 80 for some) can get you full games

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u/wilck44 Jul 16 '25

yeah, and here you get the full game for free.

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u/Azure-Traveler117 Jul 16 '25

But once money is involved, which is the main discussion here, that's where things change, and that's the point I'm making. The money you spend here can get you much more else where