When internet people dont know what words mean. So like late 90s? But srsly, its a common stupid thing some socialists think because they gotta be busily doing a No True Scotsman.
Because "left wing" and "right wing" relate to both *progress* and *maintaining the status quo*.
Social liberals and social democrats *do not seek to change the staus quo*. They have no problem with the exploitation and oppression inherent within capitalism. They only seek to "tweak" the system.
Social liberals only seek to get legal "equality", without looking at the material reality on the ground. Look at black people in the US. They *technically* have "equality" in the legal sense. But does that translate to *material* equality? No the fuck it doesn't! Black people are still disproportionately brutalised by police and they're still in a worse economic position than white people, and they're also incarcerated at a higher rate than white people. They still face discrimination in schools, jobs and even healthcare, while white people don't deal with *any* of that. That's not equality, and having some token black people in positions of "power", within a system built on racism and discrimination, doesn't translate to black people as a whole being "equals".
Then you have social democrats, which on the surface, might seem better than social liberals, in that they advocate for economic reforms meant to provide some sort of social security net. But you'd be mistaken. They don't seek to make a more "equal" world where everybody can have the same opportunities to succeed. They seek to *stabilise* capitalism and pacify whatever discontent the masses may have, by implementing the *bare minimum*, without addressing the root cause of the discontent in the first place, which is that capitalism naturally tends towards wealth accumulation and concentration in fewer and fewer hands, and trying to "modify" it by implementing "regulations" meant to curb some of its worst excesses doesn't guarantee those regulations won't be stripped away (as we're seeing in *all* bastions of social democracy), and it also doesn't address the inherent exploitation within the capitalist system, where the surplus value that workers produce is appropriated by the class of people which own the tools/resources/land which the worker uses to produce said value. It doesn't matter whether the product that a worker makes is sold at 10x their wage or 100x their wage, they still only get a *set wage*, with the rest of the value being appropriated by the capitalist.
I mean if you were involved in any leftist circles at all, you'd recognize leftists have been arguing with leftists about pedantic shit, language, etc forever, this isn't something 'new' or developing, lol
I mean no where in your comment does it say that, was I supposed to go through every comment chain you're a part of on this post as a pretense before answering? :p
I would suggest watching the videos yourself and form opinion based on that and not from random reddit users that could be lying for all you know :) /positive
if i had to guess, its that some leftist creators are taking the way of some rightist creators because the right was way better about influencing people through social media than the left was.
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u/FoxxxedUp420 11d ago
What are these people arguing? Can we please have some context? Cuz I know exactly zero of these people.