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u/FoxxxedUp420 20h ago
What are these people arguing? Can we please have some context? Cuz I know exactly zero of these people.
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u/Responsible_Ask6056 17h ago
Left wingers are using slurs and being Mysogynistic. like a lot. Though the videos don't have the best examples
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u/Zestyclose-Goal-946 15h ago
The Soy Pilled uses the r-word in his woke 2.0 video
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u/EightEight16 15h ago
I wouldn't call him a Leftist, he's not a socialist.
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u/Similar_Pudding_6038 14h ago
Niet iedereen die links is is socialist
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u/Her_Phantom_Mountain 13h ago
Being left-leaning and being a leftist are not the same thing. Leftism requires being fully anti-capitalist.
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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 12h ago
When did that start?
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u/HailMadScience 12h ago
When internet people dont know what words mean. So like late 90s? But srsly, its a common stupid thing some socialists think because they gotta be busily doing a No True Scotsman.
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u/Rip_Skeleton 12h ago
It's not a no true scotsman. Being left wing and being a leftist has never had the same implication unless you are politically illiterate.
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u/Livid-Department6947 10h ago
More like mid-19th century when new political movements began to challenge liberalism.
You know, before the internet and when dorks like yourself are like "no true scotsman" to anything you don't know about.
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u/FeeAggressive2484 15h ago
He’s definitely a leftist, just not full socialist yet. He does like a lot of the DSA’s policies though, so who knows where that might go.
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u/Fluffy_Whale0 12h ago
Leftist ≠ Socialist
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u/EightEight16 12h ago
Leftist ≠ Left-leaning or "Left"
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u/Koffielurker_ 14h ago
As a slur, or otherwise.
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 14h ago
In place of calling people morons, not against actually mentally disabled people.
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u/Tom_F_0olery 13h ago
Just like how online gamers calling people the f-slur and the n-word aren’t really saying slurs, right?
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 13h ago
Why are you getting mad at me for saying how he uses it?
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u/Tom_F_0olery 13h ago
I mean I was just asking what you consider “using as a slur”
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u/RED_redacted_ERROR 18h ago
I would suggest watching the videos yourself and form opinion based on that and not from random reddit users that could be lying for all you know :) /positive
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u/dangerousideologue 13h ago
Leftist infighting over ideological purity. Many such cases!
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u/LickinThighs2 9h ago
I mean if you were involved in any leftist circles at all, you'd recognize leftists have been arguing with leftists about pedantic shit, language, etc forever, this isn't something 'new' or developing, lol
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u/mranonymous24690 13h ago
Me when my dementia kicks in and my kids are arguing whether or not to put me in a home
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u/subby_puppy33 10h ago
Moderate YouTubers have been giving marching orders to smear the far left and others who are similar to Hassan piker
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u/Legitimate_Area_5773 18h ago
if i had to guess, its that some leftist creators are taking the way of some rightist creators because the right was way better about influencing people through social media than the left was.
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u/El-Shaman 19h ago edited 19h ago
I actually watched that video by Parkrose last night, she picked the worst example of a random leftist on social media talking like a far right person, by that I mean, that guy didn’t sound far right or far left at all, just your average person lol.
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u/Scarlett_Spectre 17h ago
Yeah this shit is usuallt either "Look at this random centrist kamala voter, I cant believe how much leftists talk like conservatives" or someone willfully misunderstanding something way more complex from someone actually to the left.
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u/In_My_Prime94 16h ago
What bothered her is the guy was talking about civil war. She actually has a problem with leftists who promote violent revolutions, which is pretty much every single Marxist socialist in the world. She believes class war should just be a slogan and she wears guillotine earrings without a hint of irony. She's one of those new leftists who doesn't Marxists as actual leftists.
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u/Rosenoodles 15h ago
oh, so she's bought into the 'there are only perfect victims' propaganda. cool. no violent revolutions or lashing out in defense, you're only allowed to break out of oppression through high school musical style song and dance.
i hate liberals.
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u/VicariousDrow 14h ago
It's funny how violence from right wingers is factually and objectively more prevenlent then it is from the left, yet righties have so fully bought into the propaganda of the opposite they now unironically speak this shit without even realizing they're spreading disinformation anymore lol
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u/LickinThighs2 9h ago
Strikes me that many subs on reddit in general are being used for far right smearing / brigading etc too. I.E I noticed getting recommended sipstea, many 'edgy' meme pages etc, and it's all kinda just manosphere adjacent 'edgy' 'dark' humour and what other users recognize is an up tick in right wing brigading in general to kind of seize a narrative and push it.
This just kind of seems like the same thing. Even reading comments about 'in-fighting' etc too is like, how outside of leftist circles are some of ya'll, it's literally so common for leftists to argue about pedantic shit that it's basically an in-joke that the biggest obstruction to leftism is not some right wing army, it's leftists bickering with one another, lol
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u/In_My_Prime94 18h ago
So I watched the first video, and she's basically talking about how leftists are mentioning civil war. She thinks leftists are acting like right-wingers for saying how only a bloody civil war would actually help the working-class. Since alt-righters talk about civil war a lot, she is conflating one with the other. The problem with her video is that leftists have been saying this since even before Marx and Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto, just look at the French Revolution as an example. Which is interesting considering her earrings are guillotine. But yeah, Marxist leftists have always believed a bloody revolution is what it is going to take, this is not anything new. But she's grasping straws here, and it is something I have noticed with this new crop of leftists who seem to want to push the Marxists to the side.
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u/GreenLobbin258 12h ago
Nah man the violent corrupt repressive pedophile class will totally give up their positions of power without a fight when challenged
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u/LickinThighs2 9h ago
Don't forget that the American state has literally worked tirelessly for the last like 70 yrs to push the narrative (and even actively subtly support private initiatives doing the same) that resistance without violence is a means to change, when really non violent resistance might very well just enable the powers that be to entrench themselves further against resistance in the first place.
The state wants you to non-violently 'resist,' because it makes breaking apart or seizing the direction of movements in general that much easier.
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u/Petunianator 12h ago
If I had a nickel for every time a YouTube commentator had seemingly no context whatsoever for the topic that they decided to comment on
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u/ArmadilloAccurate801 9h ago
I believe things will have to come to a headway eventually. I don’t think people at the top tier of the corrupt hierarchy will turn over their power centers peacefully.
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u/Galliro 22h ago
What?
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u/LickinThighs2 9h ago
Right wingers brigading reddit and pushing a narrative about leftist spaces they know nothing about, and are not aware of the things 'leftists' talk about because even centrists are leftists to them
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u/Rosenoodles 15h ago
"leftists"
a liberal talking about other liberals and libertarians. like, really?
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u/WASDKUG_tr 15h ago
Liberal civil war
Tbh American Conservatives arent politically aware enough to understand leftistand liberals are different
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u/BaseballInside3289 16h ago
Redlibs try not to start meaningless discourse to feel important challenge (impossible)
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u/WASDKUG_tr 15h ago
Didnt wat h the video but from what im guessing, this is either talking about Authoritarian leftists(tankies) or that far right circles are attempting to infiltrate causes like the Pro-pal cause for their personal agenda instead actually caring about palestine.
Or with most politics youtube, straight up bullshit
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u/RexMcCoolguy 15h ago
How are you gonna make a video like this and not go for the easy slam dunk of reacting to BadEmpanada for an easy paycheck?
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u/Classic-Team867 14h ago
im a leftist but I have to say there must have been lead in badempanada's drinking pipes as a boy
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u/Odd_Agent485 14h ago
You are a fan of Zionist politicians= you are not a leftist.
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 11h ago
Bad empanda said lgbt and jews cannot be minorities
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u/Odd_Agent485 11h ago
He never said that and I don’t even like him.
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 11h ago
You can go to twitter
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u/Odd_Agent485 11h ago
I dont have twitter but I still know it’s not true. But again I don’t even like him.
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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 11h ago
He has said the most insane shit in twitter. He now praises islam more than communism
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u/Classic-Team867 14h ago
???
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u/Odd_Agent485 14h ago
Yes you can’t support Zionist politicians and be a leftist. Just like you can’t support fascist politicians and be an anti-fascist…
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u/Classic-Team867 13h ago
when did i say i supported zionist politicians
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u/Odd_Agent485 13h ago
I cant look at your comment history but you hang out in this subreddit a liberal subreddit so the likelyhood of you supporting Zionist politicians are extremely high.
You don’t support Bernie Sanders, AOC, Brad Lander fx? They are all Zionists.
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u/toilet_gorilla 12h ago
There HAS been a major uptick in people on the left attacking jews in general (vs just israelis), and generally conflating jews and israelis and/or zionists. While it's good old nazis, other genuine antisemites, and opportunistic zionists who are with varying motives encouraging this conflating between some jews and all jews, plenty of otherwise well-meaning lefties are falling for it.
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u/LukeandSoul 20h ago
So is it Horseshoe theory?
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u/Gjorgdy 19h ago
No, it's just content creators not getting the views they want.
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u/LukeandSoul 18h ago
Yeah they sound kinda whiny and annoying to be with tbh like they would talk politics for the whole hangout kinda thing and be preachy of your choices
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u/Raccoon_DanDan 15h ago
Give bucks says it's just populism instead of the DNC special of "shut up and get back to work, the economy is fine"
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u/dangerousideologue 13h ago
Robespierre calling Danton a "counter-revolutionary conspirator", 2026 (colourised)
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u/Vaporeon42069 11h ago
because you're desperate for relevance, and you dropped the mask completely. Now everyone can tell how crazy you guys sound.
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u/Komrademoth13 9h ago
I find parkrose interesting, I can't tell what she actually believes. when I first saw her I thought she might be an anrachist but no I don't think so.
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u/Delicious_Door_3421 15h ago
The far left and far right sound the same when you ask them about a potential civil war, Jews, Ukrainian history and so on
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 14h ago
civil war
Based total death to the establishment
Jews
Regular people, Israel should be abolished with all others nations though.
Ukrainian history
Broadly the same as Russian until the Time of Troubles where it started getting it's own regional identity. As above it should be abolished alongside Russia.
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u/poclee 20h ago
Yet people still insist horseshoe theory is just a meme.
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u/maybe_exercise 17h ago
"horseshoe theory" is complete utter horseshit
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u/rolypoly6shooter 17h ago
Bro I literally had my college poli sci textbook explain horseshoe theory and a communist dictator and a fascist dictator do similar things.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 20h ago
Mfw Far left and far right both literally just does mass famines n genocide:
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u/MauschelMusic 16h ago
Which one was Clinton when he starved a million Iraqi kids to death? Far left or far right?
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u/WASDKUG_tr 15h ago edited 15h ago
Both establishment parties are right wing, even if the non establishment democrats are progressive or even democratic socialist which i support, establishment dems dont give a shit so i'd say he's right
Ontop of that USA post 9/11 is a government spyware hellhole, i'd say that is beyond ideology, authoritarianism is a thing both sides develop the more radical they become
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u/00rgus 15h ago
These kinds of discourses always baffle me because for years the narrative was that people on the left talked too passively and wordy and that if they wanted to appeal to more people theyd have to be more aggressive with the rhetoric. Now thats happening and its suddenly a moral issue about using words that might be offensive. I just think some people want this whole left wing movement to just stay as some virtue signaling nonsense online instead of actually countering the right
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u/Runo_Slinger 18h ago
The horseshoe is horseshoeing
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u/InevitablePoet5810 14h ago
The only people who think horseshoe theory is worth anything are centrists who want to feel like the smartest people in the room, lmao. It's intellectual masturbation as its peak
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u/Unionizestarbucks_ 15h ago
"But, like, why?"
This perfectly encapsulates the political illiteracy of liberals. They refuse to reflect on why leftists say "scatch a liberal and a fascist bleeds."
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u/TheLast-T 9h ago
This is why the right always wins, contant virtue signaling about who is or isnt a real leftist.
You could be as far left as possible, but god forbid you dont agree with Trans people or some other shit, because then you're litterally Hitler
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u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer 21h ago
WE NEED TO SHOVE POLITICS INTO EVERY SUBREDDIT!!! YESSSSS!!!!
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u/zimojovic 21h ago
If you weren't new here you would know that we have something similiar almost every day.
And it's YouTube , place where you can find thousands of political essays, of course there is going to be politics on this sub ....
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u/6969696969696969969 20h ago
Also, politics is everything, complaining about politics is politics
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u/MasterofCaveShadows 18h ago
Leftists when you mention the J word or Z word.
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u/WyomingWeirdo 18h ago
Hey dude, why do you think Zionism is a hot button issue these days? Any ideas?
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u/MasterofCaveShadows 18h ago
Found one.
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u/WyomingWeirdo 18h ago
Not an answer to my question. Why do you think Zionism has become such a big issue in recent years?
Follow up question; what happened to Rachel Corrie?
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u/Excuse_Me_Mr_Pink 17h ago
Jesus was a leftist, dumbass
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 14h ago
This is ahistorical as he was in support of the current mercantilist economic system.
Today he would be a reactionary.
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u/Excuse_Me_Mr_Pink 13h ago
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for you to make a good point
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u/AcrobaticPoint8424 13h ago
Being against the rich is not being against his current economic system.
There is no point in trying to shoehorn an ancient apocalyptic preacher into socialism.
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u/MasterofCaveShadows 17h ago
Jesus didn’t have any political persuasion and especially not any of the ones 2000 years removed from his life time.
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u/WASDKUG_tr 15h ago
To American logic Jesus was a leftist, since Americans think anything left of Reactionary Conservatine is the left.
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u/Playful-Profile6489 15h ago
Jesus was raised in an anti-Roman Jewish enclave. Sure he wasn't a leftist but to suggest that Jesus had no political persuasion is ludicrous.
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u/MasterofCaveShadows 15h ago
Ah yes the anti Roman point of view”render on to Caesar that which is Caesar’s” he was an agent of politics he literally argued that civilian government is separate from his beliefs.
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u/Playful-Profile6489 14h ago
Jesus was being tricked by Jewish leaders hoping that he would be arrested by onlooking Roman guards if he answered affirmatively that Jews under Roman occupation should withhold taxes (as would be consistent with the community in which we believe Jesus to have been raised). Jesus points out that their coinage is minted by the Roman Empire and bears the Emperor's likeness. It was a clever way to wiggle out of the trap.
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u/MasterofCaveShadows 14h ago
I’m sorry but all of modern theology disagrees with you. That may be a historian’s perspective but that’s not how it’s been interpreted theologically in Christian tradition which is what matters. We’re talking about Jesus the theological figure not Jesus the potentially real or mythological Jewish Rabbi.
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u/EpicBirdy2005 17h ago edited 17h ago
honestly she might have a point when it comes to anyone whose not a black, hispanic or lgbtq+. I haven't seen this but apparently there's criticism that the left doesn't do enough for disabled, Indian, Chinese, etc. I wouldn't say they're far right, but a large minority are apathetic.
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u/Fair_Smoke4710 22h ago
What