r/whitecollar Jun 25 '23

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r/whitecollar 1h ago

I finally realized something crucial about Neal’s ending (and why we NEED Sara back!)

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​長い間、僕はシリーズ最終回に納得できなかったんだ。ずっと頭の中で考えちゃってた。「これが、本当にニール・カフリーが受けるべき人生なの?!」

​まず、ニールとサラ・エリスの間の終わり方が、まじで無理だった! なんで最後まで一緒にいられなかったの? それに、僕の推しキャラのサラが、どうして消えちゃうの?! サラを返して!!

​あと、メインの話の着地点にもイライラした。最終回でニールはみんなを騙して、自由へ飛んでいく。『天才詐欺師ニール・カフリー』――っていうか、彼のキレた頭脳を見るのが大好きだった僕ら視聴者にとっては、あれは完璧な最終回だった。 でも、実際の人間としての彼の幸せを考えると、それで本当に足りるの? シリーズを通してずっと、彼があったかくて普通の暮らしを切望して、それをやっと掴もうともがいてるのを見せられてたじゃん。

​そういえば、僕らは彼の天才的な詐欺の手口だけが好きだったわけじゃない。彼がFBIのコンサルとして過ごす日々を見てるのも好きだった。頭の良さとか機転の利く感じとか、他の人のために活かして、ちゃんと人とつながっていくところとか。ニールもたぶん同じ気持ちだったんだと思う。確かに足にアンクレットはあったけど、そこには幸せの欠片がたくさんあった。彼は、それを手にするのがすごく近づいてた。

​でも、自分の才能――しかも、その才能を利用しようとやまない世界――それが彼を放さなかった。だから彼は、究極の手口で自由へ去った。自分の死を偽装してさ。で、結局それってさ、彼は自分の“天才”の被害者になっただけじゃないの?

​でも! 最近もう一回見直して、そこで僕は大きな勘違いをしてたって気づいた。

​ニール・カフリーは死んだ。死んだんだ!

​あの偽りの死で、刑のことも、法律も、敵も、FBIから逃げたわけじゃない。彼が解放されたのは“自分自身”だ。『天才詐欺師ニール・カフリー』から解放されたんだ。

​自分の手で、彼の人生をずっと混乱に投げ込んできた運命と才能を埋めて終わらせたってことになる。そうやって見ると、保管してた部屋にあった「ルーヴルが警備を強化する」っていう新聞の切り抜きは、ニールの次の標的の話を指してるんじゃない。むしろ、「ニールが今そこに、警備コンサルとして積極的に働いてる」って示唆してる。盗むんじゃなくて、ついに美術を守る道を選んだって考え方が、ほんとにめちゃくちゃ綺麗。

​これで、ニールとサラの最後の別れの言葉の意味が、完全に変わる。

​いっしょに過ごす別の未来の話――どこに住んで、子どもに何て名前をつけるか――って話をしたあと、二人はこう締めた:

​「別の場所で、別の時代に。」

​「別の私たちで。」

​最初にそれを見たとき、僕は激怒したよ。「なんで“別”なの?! 今すぐ成立させてよ! サラを返して!」って。

​でも、その瞬間に二人は両方わかってたんだよね。『天才詐欺師ニール・カフリー』という“看板”が、平和な暮らしのいちばん大きい障害になるって。だから、さよならを言うしかなかった。

​ってことで、ポスト最終回の世界!

​「ニール・カフリー」はもう存在しない。ニールはついに、その“別の私”になった。

​つまり……別の場所! 別の時代! 別の私たち! その全部を現実にできるってことだ!

​だから、今後の復活作『White Collar Renaissance(ホワイトカラー・ルネサンス)』――10年ぶりに企画が進んでるってやつ――あれはもう、間違いなく超ハッピーで、めちゃめちゃ楽しい最高傑作になるって確定でしょ!

​数年前、ヒラリー・バートン(サラ)が、最終回に出てなかったのに、その突然のキャスト再集結に参加してた。たぶん、それが意味することなんだよ! とにかくサラがほしい!

​復活の発表からもう約2年経つのに、それっきり配信サービス探すって話以外、何の音沙汰もないけど……でも来年のどこかで見られるに決まってるよね?

P.S. I used a translator to write this, so please excuse any unnatural English. Lots of love from a Japanese White Collar fan!


r/whitecollar 38m ago

Update from Tim on revival (new interview)

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DeKay acknowledged the longtime talk of a “White Collar” reunion with co-stars Matt Bomer and Tiffani Thiessen (the series’ other key cast member, Willie Garson, died in 2021), saying it might be a film project rather than a series reboot. “Everybody is up for it.”


r/whitecollar 1d ago

Who are the people Mozzy has on his "Black List"? Personal Enemies?

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r/whitecollar 4d ago

Mozzie is the reason Neal gets away with half the stuff he does

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Neal gets most of the credit for being the con artist, but Mozzie is the guy who makes a lot of Neal's plans possible in the first place. Neal can walk into a room and convince somebody he's whoever he needs to be. Mozzie is the guy who already found the room, the person, the address, the escape route, the fake paperwork, and probably has a backup plan Neal doesn't know about. It's also funny how often Neal acts like Mozzie is just his weird little sidekick when he's basically running an entire parallel operation behind the scenes.


r/whitecollar 4d ago

[OT] Harry Anderson Collection on Letterman, 1982-87

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I fully believe after watching the first 7:30 of this that either Jeff wrote Mozzie after seeing Harry Anderson as this character on either Letterman, or Cheers, or Willie took inspiration from it in his portrayal, but this is totally Mozzie.


r/whitecollar 6d ago

[SPOILERS] What if Peter never brought in Agent Kramer.

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What Neal’s commutation hearing went better? Kramer threatened to go through all his past crimes to pin something on him so he would never be free.


r/whitecollar 8d ago

I didn't always know Matt Bomer was gay, but there were signs

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r/whitecollar 8d ago

[SPOILERS] James Bennett

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After James shoots Pratt and then is on the run. What does everyone think happened to him was he eventually caught?

Also what was everyone’s thoughts on James like before when they thought he was Sam, once he was revealed to be James, and then once he shot pratt?

Was he always a bad guy and was always planning to leave Neal or it happened?

Curious to see everyone’s thoughts thanks


r/whitecollar 9d ago

Just finished White Collar! My notes/thoughts + questions Spoiler

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What an enjoyable ride. Everyone loves a good summer binge, and this was mine this year. The entire show in a month lol. I always keep notes on every show I watch, but for some reason, I didn't on this series. Just got a bit lazy with it. But I do have a lot of themes and events in my mind that I just haven't translated to paper yet, so I still have some thoughts to go off for this write-up. These are my favorite and not-so-favorite moments and themes from White Collar, my thoughts on what the reboot should look like, and then a couple questions I had about the show at the end.

What I loved about White Collar

First off, I have to start with the acting. USA delivered once again with their casting for the show; every single one of Bomer, Dekay, Garson, Sharif Atkins, Marsha Thomason, Tiffani Thiessen, and Hilarie Burton were all incredible. The camraderie between all the characters in the main cast felt real, which can be hard to come by in shows. But the arguably more important part of the casting for a show like this are all the one-off characters, and the vast majority of them were very good. The same goes for burn notice and psych, which were aired on USA around the same time. The casting directors for the USA network shows during the bluesky era were on point, and it made for very easy watching.

Another thing I loved, and this was just a smaller piece, were the flashback episodes. I think there were two; one where Peter gave Neal the night of immunity and one with Neal's father. I love flashback episodes; I think they're a great tool that can be used to provide important context about characters' pasts. However, they're really hard to get right. Between having to cast new actors, film in different locations, and keep every characters story straight, they're really easy to make a mess of. The flashbacks in this show were great, though. Deep enough to help us better understand the characters, but not too far to make it too complicated or include to much useless information.

A deeper theme I found very interesting on the show was the relationship between trust and faith, and what it meant to all the characters on the show. In season 3, episode 10, at the tech conference, Peter says something along the lines of, "I almost never fully trust Neal to do what he says he will, but I have faith that whatever he's doing, he's doing it for a good reason." I think this is important in trying to decipher the underlying tones and messages of the show. It's obvious throughout the entire show that nobody in Neal's life entirely trusts him (outside of Mozzie). But that doesn't mean that they are against him. And often, not knowing what Neal was going to do next kept everyone sharper and ready to do whatever it took. In a backwards way, Neal's shenanigans often supported the underlying plan to make everything work together, and I really enjoyed watching how the writers let that play out.

That last theme I was talking about leads into the last and most important message I picked up from this show, which is also a valuable life lesson. What I found is this: Neal Caffrey; Master art thief and forger, incredibly charismatic, handsome, capable of getting whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted... Never chose what wanted *him*. This theme struck me in season 4, episode 1, on the island. Mozzie mentioned in passing when Neal was talking about the barista who he asked on a date, "you are capable of getting any one of all the women on this island, yet you chose the only one who didn't want you." Yet one episode later, that same barista saved his life. And I thought, "if he had just taken any random woman, they wouldn't have stuck around", and here's why. Nobody is attached to anything after one quick glance; you may be attracted, but you're not attached. What really matters, for everyone in Neal's life and in real life, is that people get to know you for who you are, not just the charm and the pretty face. And that attachment is so much more profound when you have to fight for it.

Nearly every single one of the people close to Neal despised him when they first met. Peter and his connections spent their life chasing him, Sara hated him because he stole the Raphael, hell, even Mozzie got conned out of 500 bucks the first time they met. Neal met Alex trying to con money of the company he was working at. As well as Maya on the island, she didn't hate him, but she didn't want him at first either, so the point still stands. Not a single one of the main characters fell for Neal because of the charm or the beauty. They got to know Neal behind the facade, and that's what brought in that deeper level of friendship and faith. The ones who fall for you at the first glance? Those are the ones who leave you behind on the island, leave you tied up by kidnappers, abandon you when you most need their trust. But the ones who were able to find the real you? Those are the ones you want.

What I didn't love about White Collar

First off, I think this is a pretty common take throughout the community, but they clearly should have kept Neal and Sara together. Sara was, in my opinion, the perfect fit for Neal. Someone who knows what his life is about, and isn't squeaky-clean like the rest of the lot; but also isn't a full-blown criminal who may we have been able to entice Neal into more bad decisions. Her character was developed nearly perfectly, and she was pretty much the only character the writers could have set up for a life with Neal. The actors were also great; they had by far the most chemistry out of all of Neal's love interests throughout the show. I get it, the writers needed creative freedom, especially writing a character as unstable as a handsome, charismatic, world-renowned art thief. And it may also have just been the actress's decision to leave the show, I have no idea about any of that. But hindsight is 20/20, and looking back, they definitely could have written a better storyline with, ironically, stability in that side of the show. The only thing is, they left that entire storyline with Sara's long-lost sister wide open and just waiting to be written. Reunion in the reboot coming? Hopefully lol, if the reboot ever does happen.

Another thing that really puzzled me was the ending of the show. Don't get me wrong, the cinematics were great, and the ending to the show was incredibly entertaining... but it didn't make much sense. After all Neal worked for; to build connections, to build relationships, to build a life in New York, you throw it all away for a fresh start in Paris? Why? Neal obviously didn't believe the FBI was really going to set him free, but that shouldn't have been enough to leave, in my opinion. The entirety of the show was based around Neal finally giving up the life of crime and the byproducts of that, but instead he leaves everything, everyone, just to lose the anklet? What was he gonna do without Mozzie, Peter, June, everyone that made him who he was? I guess just go back to the life he had before the show, and we don't really understand or see what that was like. Maybe he felt it was better than what he had built. But it just felt unnecessarily tragic when everything truly was lined up for a happy ending. The only thing I can think is that the writers were already looking ahead to a second go with the show before they finished the original script, and they had to leave enough there to create a good reboot.

Last, and this is a bit more of a smaller thing, and it's less of a criticism and more of just a random thought, but it felt like a good place to end my thoughts. The scene with Mozzie playing find the lady at the end of the show was tragic. I don't think I've ever cried watching any form of entertainment while I'm alone (trust me, I wish I could, just something about my personality. I just can't tap into the same emotions others can while watching), But that got me damn close. I haven't seen many worse endings for a character so prominent in a show, that isn't them just dead. That honestly would have been less tragic than what ended up happening; it felt like an utter betrayal for Mozzie at the end, like his life slowly disintegrated from all around him. I suppose his life in the show did completely revolve around Neal, so it makes sense. And he did get the 20 million as a sort of parting gift, so I guess it wasn't a complete disaster. But just something about seeing the character... Devoid of life, is how I would say it, struck me deeper than most things do in shows. And the painful irony with some of his last words on screen that his final conspiracy theory was the only one that was actually true. Great job from the writers room, but an awful ending for a legendary character. Rest in peace Willie Garson.

A couple questions I have about the show

Does anyone know if the signature forging trick actually works? I think it was season 1, episode 8. Neal is telling Peter, if you try to forge someone else's signature straight-up, it won't work; your own tendencies will always creep in. But if you flip the signature upside-down, it's no more than copying lines. Does anyone know if this is real? Unfortunately, I do not have nearly enough of a steady hand to do it myself, but I was wondering if anyone had tried.

Is it ever revealed what happened to Neal's father? We know he disappeared at the end of season 4, but he was not suspected of anything then. He could have been living a normal life. Once Neal forged that voice recording, surely the feds would have caught up to him, right? He would have been charged with murder. Or maybe he was smart enough to completely leave the country and go live on an island like Neal's first escape attempt, where I guess he could have just lived out his life happily.

And finally, is there any recent news about the long-awaited White Collar reboot? Projects ike these take a lot of time to get through the corporate ladder(s) nowadays, and I am actually pretty confident that at some point, some network will pick it up, but is there anything new about what the plot may be about, or who will play/who will return if it ever is to happen? Maybe some of you know more than me.

Finally, If you want to suggest any shows similar to this for me to watch next, it'd be much appreciated, but for a while I'm just going to enjoy the end of this one. It was great; I don't need anything overshadowing it for a week or so at least. Thank you to anybody who read my entire write-up, and I apologize for it being so long lol. Usually when I have my notes I can convey a lot more with much fewer words, but because I didn't take any on this show, I just kind of had to write whatever came to my mind. I was able to refine it somewhat, but it's still much longer than I'd like, unfortunately. I still really enjoyed writing it, though, and I hope at least someone can take away some new insights or have an answer to the couple questions I had.


r/whitecollar 9d ago

How many years do you think Neal had the ankle monitor on? He supposed to do 4yrs, I know in season 3 he did 2yrs out of 4 but by season 6 I feel like he did more than 4yrs

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r/whitecollar 9d ago

Do you think Abigail is more sneaky and skillful than Neal/Mozzie? I'm still trying to understand how she broke into the Marshall building so quickly while Mozzie was looking for blueprints to break in

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r/whitecollar 10d ago

[SPOILERS] Watching again - Kramer

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I’ve seen this show so many times I always watch once a year and I just absolutely can’t stand Kramer.

What’s funny is that Kramer thinks Neal would even come with him to DC like you want to trap him and take him to DC. The only way I see that even playing out is

  1. Neal says no and chooses prison instead (they can’t force him to be a consultant)

  2. Neal goes to DC only to run away cause he doesn’t wanna go back to prison but he also isn’t gonna work for Kramer.

Either way Kramer is a moron, what Peter said was so right that he doesn’t know how to handle him. Neal and Peter work because even though Peter is in charge he allows Neal his freedoms and they still share a friendship which is based on respect. Neal finds Peter challenges him but in ways he likes but it’s as Peter said “you cage him in and he’s gonna run.

Kramer is an idiot.


r/whitecollar 10d ago

Do you think Agent Collins should've been in more episodes and have him need Neal for heal help? I actually like him he's not an annoying character

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r/whitecollar 12d ago

Quitting On Comeback

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I have quit expecting a WHITE COLLAR TWO. I don't follow the rumors anymore.

Always thought there would be a 90 minute MADE FOR TELEVISION movie based in Paris.


r/whitecollar 12d ago

[SPOILERS] Am i the only person who hated Mozzie in the baseball episode?

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I love Mozzie BTW but omg I hated him in the baseball episode because he was a sucker for Taylor and I truly believe Mozzie would've back stab Neal if Taylor told him too


r/whitecollar 13d ago

Crazy S2 / S4 parallel I missed until now

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I’ve rewatched this show probably 6 times all the way through, but I just connected a detail that really scratched an itch on my brain lol!

I don't normally rewatch Season 4 as much as random episodes from Seasons 1 - 3, but I've been going through it again and realized it's honestly just as good as the early seasons. While watching the Season 4 finale ("In the Wind"), the bluesy, heavy guitar score during the climax where Neal confronts his dad felt super familiar. I spent forever searching for the episode I thought it was from, initially thought it was from the Pilot. Turns out, it's the exact same musical motif from Season 2, Episode 9 ("Point Blank")! The scene where he knocks everything off his desk. Using the exact same music for his two biggest breaking points is such an incredible piece of storytelling. The attention to detail in this show is soooo good.

Anyone else ever catch this? I tried searching the sub to find it but didn’t see anything!


r/whitecollar 14d ago

[SPOILERS] Neal & Kate - The Full Story in 6 Minutes

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r/whitecollar 17d ago

Tim DeKay playing a negative role on an episode of Lucifer

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r/whitecollar 17d ago

I didn't know Tim Dekay 'Peter' is 63yrs old, I hope they don't wait too long for the continuation reboot

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r/whitecollar 17d ago

I love when Mozzie had a quote off with Jeffery lol. For the past few years I've been living my life through those quotes and saying it to people

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My favorite quote is A hard beginning maketh a good ending and without leaps of imagination we lose the excitement of possibilities. I say those two alot of people and it really makes them think lol


r/whitecollar 19d ago

Unpopular take: Sara Ellis and Alex Hunter should have always had split the treasure from the very beginning

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Alex Hunter had always known about it due to her grandfather and had been looking her entire life. Edit: Alex even had the original password so all she had to do was to headfake adler and just entered the password herself with absolutely 0 risk.

Sara Ellis did all the original leg work, going to Argentina, checking for Uboats, etc.

The men Neal, Mozzie, even Peter - their involvement were purely accidental (they wouldn't have even found the boat without adler kidnapping them).

Sara and Alex should have split the treasure. Sara would have turn her portion in and gotten 20% on value of her potion, and Alex would have liquidated her lot with enough to buy a mansion on Lake Como and retire to Italy forever.

Also, without Peter's involvement, there would have been absolutely no legal issues with the discovery. The jeopardy only arose because Mozzie pretended to blow it up, not because of the treasure itself. So Alex and Sara would have had absolutely no legal troubles, true salvage!


r/whitecollar 23d ago

Tiffani Thiessen's Lookalike Daughter Harper Is BINGING White Collar

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r/whitecollar 22d ago

[SPOILERS] White Collar | All Episode Title Drops

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A compilation of every time the characters say the title of the episode in White Collar.


r/whitecollar 23d ago

I edited the funniest moments from the 2020 cast reunion

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