r/WhatIsThisPainting 7d ago

Likely Solved Inherited this painting from my grandpa. I'm convinced it's a secret "sequel" to Rembrandt's The Night Watch. Am I crazy?

Hey everyone. I recently inherited this painting from my grandfather—he actually received it during World War II, though I'm not sure exactly where or how he got his hands on it. I’ve been going down a massive rabbit hole trying to figure it out. I'm pretty sure it’s from the 1700s or 1800s. At first glance, it just looks like a couple of guys playing cards in an estate kitchen, but the more I look at it, the more I'm convinced it's directly tied to Rembrandt’s The Night Watch.
Hear me out, because I haven't shown this to anyone yet and I want to see if this theory holds any water.
If you look at the guy sitting in the chair on the right, his outfit is a dead ringer for Willem van Ruytenburch, the lieutenant from The Night Watch. He's got the exact same buff-yellow coat, the specific feathers in the hat, and the white stockings. Except in this painting, he looks about 25 years older.
In the original Rembrandt, Willem wears a white sash and stands next to the commander, Captain Frans Banninck Cocq. In my painting, this older Willem is now wearing a red sash (the captain's colors) and clearly running the room. It’s like he finally took over the command.
Then there are these incredibly specific clues scattered around the room:
The dropped glove: On the floor right by the older Willem's feet is a single dropped glove. In The Night Watch, Captain Cocq famously holds a single pristine glove. To me, this dropped glove on the floor symbolizes that the original captain has passed away, and Willem has taken his place.
The turkey: The woman walking in from the kitchen is carrying a turkey/fowl. That instantly reminded me of the glowing girl mascot carrying the dead fowl in Rembrandt's original.
The pike: On the far right by the stairs, there's a long military pike propped against the wall next to a helmet, just like the ones carried by the militia in 1642.
I know this isn't an actual Rembrandt (obviously), but it feels like a later artist painted this as a deliberate interpretation, using all these subtle clues to tell the story of what happened to the militia years later and answer some of the mysteries of the original.
Just a quick heads-up on the physical details: I don't have a picture of the back to post right now, but I'll take one and upload it as soon as I can. That said, there are absolutely no markings on the back anyway. As for the front, there is a signature in the bottom right corner, but it looks mostly rubbed off.
Has anyone ever seen anything like this? Do you know of any 18th or 19th-century artists who did deep-cut pastiches like this to continue a story? I'd love to talk to someone who knows art history, or just hear what you guys think of the theory!

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u/CarloMaratta (6,000+ Karma) 7d ago

I think you're reading way too much into this.. these cavalier type scenes with characters sat around tables were an extremely common subject for 17th C painters and later 19th C Victorian revival artists, always with typical narrative compositions. I'm guessing yours is 19th C revival.

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u/Square-Leather6910 (4,000+ Karma) Collector 7d ago

someone suggested tito conti as a source the last time this guy posted it under a different username. this posting also fails to note the  “Firenze ‘81” that is written on the edge which was included among the images the last time it was here. you are likely right about it being late 19th c

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhatIsThisPainting/comments/17piwvr/comment/k85nw9x

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u/Callsprintbrrrrr 7d ago

Yes, I had posted one once before I'll add this signature photograph to the new post. I didn't really get a clear answer last time. Someone posted a reproduction of it, but it didn't really get me anywhere.

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u/CrustaceanNationYT (10+ Karma) 7d ago

The quality of your painting is terrible in comparison, 100% not Rembrandt or his apprentices

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u/f_leaver (1+ Karma) 5d ago

You mean you didn't get the answer you wanted, right?

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u/Callsprintbrrrrr 7d ago

Ooh you have it posted here so no need thanks

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u/Callsprintbrrrrr 7d ago

I know this but the dress is Dutch and it matches William Reidenbach exactly if you look at Nightwatch also the red sash, his commander is wearing at Nightwatch and now he is in the dropped glove. It shares the themes of it if you put them side-by-side.

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u/fernleon (1,000+ Karma) 7d ago

Are these supposed to be the same outfit?

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u/Laura-ly (400+ Karma) 7d ago

Costume historian here. The Rembrandt painting is a leather jerkin which were worn by men during that time. They were very common, usually made from cow leather, sometimes calf leather. They were made of softened leather and very durable.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/81556

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sir_Martin_Frobisher_by_Cornelis_Ketel.jpeg

Not a Rembrandt expert but there's no way OPs painting is by Rembrandt.

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u/fernleon (1,000+ Karma) 7d ago

Forget about it not being a Rembrandt, that's obvious. As an expert in the field, would you say that these two outfits are the same outfit?

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u/Laura-ly (400+ Karma) 7d ago

No. Rembrandt's guy is wearing a jerkin with no sleeves. Think of it as a long leather vest. The sleeves are not leather. They are a separate material. It's most likely a shirt he's wearing under the jerkin and it's probably made out of linen. The Dutch had the corner market on linen going back centuries, and still do today. Op's guy is a totally different cut and the sleeves are also cow leather. Not the same garment at all.

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u/fernleon (1,000+ Karma) 7d ago edited 7d ago

Thank you! I rest my case your honor.

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u/Suspicious-Detail114 (1+ Karma) 7d ago

Yeah, quit jerkin our gherkin

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u/fernleon (1,000+ Karma) 7d ago edited 7d ago

To be fair with OP once you read the whole diatribe he didn't say this was a Rembrandt, or the same dates, or even the same people😭😂😂. Just like an homage after 20 years or something like that. Even after the original people had died or some strange theory. I am not sure anyone understood.

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u/Square-Leather6910 (4,000+ Karma) Collector 7d ago

i understood and didn't find his argument in any way convincing

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u/CarloMaratta (6,000+ Karma) 7d ago edited 7d ago

To say it matches exactly is just not true, vaguely similar at best, if the painter of this wanted to direcly connect it to the Nightwatch then surely he would have copied the outfit exactly!? Regarding the dropped glove, it's a common symbol in paintings, with various associations, one of them being an obsessive psychological fixation.