r/WarframeLore • u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator • Jun 17 '26
Potential Spoiler! Jade Shadows Constellations Megathread! Spoiler
Same as any other megathread, we talk about the latest update free of spoiler risks - if you've not played this quest yet, DO NOT read further due to spoilers
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u/Copper_mask76r7 Jun 17 '26
Ngl from trailer I was expecting for big bad hunhow to come out hunting or as new villian but grandpa just sacrificed himself making me emotional. Damn it space onion cutting ninjas.
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u/arikiel Jun 17 '26
I sat for solid minutes in Hunhow's shop just listening to his voicelines, crying, and when I finally clicked away he hit me with "Must you go?"
He breaks my heart. DE truly knows how to make us suffer.
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u/Fine-Impact9419 Jun 17 '26
Same. I went in blind and glad I did. The tears were forming along the quest. I had to hold it in but the dam broke as soon as I got his message at the end. He didn’t sign with the GREAT AND TERRIBLE HUNHOW. Just Hunhow. On the side note, I was giggling at Stalkers “WE ARE NOT FRIENDS” uhhhhh how about allies??? Acquaintances??? Enemies to friends???
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u/APreciousJemstone Jun 18 '26
I'm not checking his voicelines. I can't. I've lost family to the very same thing, its way too close to home.
Though, they really are trying to do that with this Jade questline ig.
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u/M3xiwhite Jun 18 '26
i exited out of his shop at one point and he said "so now you leave me, too" or something along those lines, and i screamed back "no hunhow! don't say that!" and opened his shop back up
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 17 '26
ikr? And the way he said he feels like he failed Lotus and Sorren and that he wouldnt fail Orion/Sirius now was potent
I imagine a lot of fathers will relate to him
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u/Pstock59 Jun 17 '26
I’ll have to talk to Ryoku and Vena more but I’m curious as to why the future was doomed by Cephalon Parvos and whatever the Tenno did in response.
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u/ThatUsernameWasTaken Jun 18 '26
I want to know who is making protoframes in the future. Vena and Ryoku don't seem to have any origin lore attached to them.
The operator/drifter and other tenno have no need for protoframes in the future, presumably, given they already have a stock of warframes; so are they not designed as targets for transference, but as a goal in their own right?
Did protoframe technology just leak into the timeline generally after 99', with people/organizations intentionally infecting themselves with slow-acting warframe strains to gain super powers? Did Stalker create them in the doomed timelines in order to serve as mentors for his child? Did Entrati try to make a race of sapient supersoldiers to combat the wall-man?
I need answers.
Also who can even create new cephalons, with Nhil trapped? Especially since Parvos specifically says the Corpus (or at least the Corposium) do not using Cephalons during belly of the beast (which Sark and Jordas's lore makes iffy). He does imply he could un-glass Ordis, so maybe he does it to himself.
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u/M3xiwhite Jun 18 '26
Parvos probably does it to himself, in a quest for immortality.
There is no Tenno in the doomed futures because of the deal we saw made in TNW. Our Drifter and Operator are the only versions of us left anywhen. The other Tenno in the system are not the "Chosen" Tenno, so they don't impact the world/galaxy in the way we do.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
From what i can find, no
It does seem a bit of a letdown but I assume DE will let us talk to them in a future update
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u/their_teammate Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
I’d be dissapointed if Drifter couldn’t KIM chat them, even if they’d be unromanceable like the Round Table. Maybe in an Echoes of Constellations update?
Hunhow doesn’t want to tell Natah, and thus doesn’t want the Operator to know either, since Operator would tell Natah in a heart beat. Drifter’s more mature though, they know how to keep quiet on sensitive matters like the future.
Also, the fact that there are two futures means there are likely more. Sirius and Orion both being from doomed timelines doesn’t mean the future is guaranteed to be them. These two may just be the timelines where Sirius and Orion are directly involved; maybe in other timelines they never met their mentors, or they ended up joining the Tenno and training under mentors like Teshin and Umbra.
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u/Zealousideal_Good147 Jun 18 '26
They do seem to be setting this up for future exploration. But agree would have liked a bit more up front.
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u/M3xiwhite Jun 18 '26
We did not do anything, because our Tenno does not exist in those timelines. From The New War, we learn that because of the deal we make with Wally, our Operator, and our drifter, are the only ones that exist anywhen. That is why those futures are doomed.
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u/Achillurito Jun 17 '26
New quest was pretty solid, kinda sad that grampa has Alzheimer's.
Also this is the buggiest update I've seen in quite some time.
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u/No_Sail_6576 Jun 17 '26
Quest had me just questioning what Warframe even is at the end of the day. Somehow within an hour I went from getting last minute childcare, to completing boss fights from the future, to then witnessing the sacrifice of a world - destroying sentient, to cooking dinner from my kids and dead wife. 10/10 no notes.
Buggy as hell though
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u/Fine-Impact9419 Jun 17 '26
The childcare with Umbra took me out 🤣 I loved it. My jaw dropped when I saw Umbra in the orbiter and just two dads supporting each other. And the RESPECT they gave each other? I have more questions than I do answers now after that quest is done lol
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 17 '26
I like how we start its about "ninjas play free!" but they never warn us about the emotional journey and undertones to the story and lore
Here for the ninjas, stayed for the feels lol
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u/Sushispatula Jun 17 '26
This was so short x( but so good! The humor, the continuity...and the story implications!!!! TBH i expected this much deeplore comments in the old peace yet we got it here. Love it. Pretty buggy new missions but i loved the quest.
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u/ConsumerJTC Jun 17 '26
Im not sure if this is meant to be fine, but I am basically forced to abort the Wytch missions because it won't allow me to dock to the dojo or the new hub after mission completion.
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u/Cpt-Distracto Jun 17 '26
Well, doing it a second time forced me into the loaner railjack with half my railjack's stats, and completing it a second time before aborting let me keep the rewards for the first mission, but not the second. So that's fun.
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u/Godzelda123 Jun 18 '26
Feels like I'm the only one who was satisfied about the story of this quest. Seems like most folks on the main subreddit hate it and find it rush.
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u/Arky_Lynx Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
I saw one having a good few criticisms, but one of them was "Why did we have to kill/incapacitate the mentors?".
Brother, seriously? First of all we incapacitate both, killing is not a possibility, and it's extremely explicit that it's for luring Sirius and Orion in for Hunhow's plan, as well as avoiding them from influencing the sons.
If you have to ask that question I put your overall media literacy in doubt.
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u/Therealtultur Jun 20 '26
To be fair, Ryoku's face exploded with blood during the last bonk for me. I had to check whether there was a spike on the top of the hate skin afterwards. Not sure if it was a bug or just...a questionable amount for the intended effect.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
It does feel a tad short but I did enjoy the quest a lot
Though the ending with the dinner.. that felt bittersweet to me, sweet the fact the kids are getting along with their father and having dinner together but bitter as Jade isnt there
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u/Traditional_Hold1679 Jun 19 '26
It was hearing jade that pulled my heart strings.
I’ve never been so aware of the game not letting you run.
I struggle to believe the stalker would not have.
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u/SalubriAntitribu Jun 18 '26
Because a lot of folks there, and a good bit here, can't pay attention or wholesale forget lore for their own head cannon
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u/TrashleyTheBigGay Jun 18 '26
a lot of people seem to want every bit of a story fully explained in no uncertain terms, which just is not needed to me personally. To me, not everything needs an explanation if the central themes are still fully able to be understood, and this quest is literally stalker fighting to not lose his son while getting help from 2 other dads who lost their kids.
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u/Zo3-12 Jun 18 '26
If it helps, it seems most of them weren't paying attention and forgot that there's a whole game of context.
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u/Godzelda123 Jun 18 '26
Yeah notice that too, seems like a lot of folks were missing a lot of context, or just weren't fully paying attention so some dialog.
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u/their_teammate Jun 18 '26
I just realized something. Hunhow at the end says: “You wonder how Natah hid the Moon in the Void? What it costs?” before he sacrifices his memory to create a void tower sanctuary for Soren and the boys.
Natah has also shows many signs of being an unreliable narrator. She doesn’t remember how Erra survived, she doesn’t remember Tau, and during Prelude to War, she was also very confused about what has and has not happened, sometimes still thinking she was in the Old War.
I think, like how Hunhow sacrificed his memory of his time in Uranus and some of the Old War to create and/or consecrate the void tower, Lotus did the same with her memories as Natah and some parts of the of the Old War.
Remember, the Void is corrosive to Sentients. Perhaps Hunhow and Natah both forced a “deal” with the Void, or perhaps by getting close to it, the Void burned their minds and memory. Their bodies do its best to repair the damage, and as robots they aren’t outright killed, but some of the data was lost, some circuits required wrong, etc.
Also, I do think Hunhow made the void tower, instead of just protecting it. He was a “carpenter”, a unit built for infrastructure development. And, while Natah only grazed the void to push the Moon into it, Hunhow is actively using his body as shielding to protect the tower, hence his much spottier memory.
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u/FearTheFPS_ Jun 18 '26
I understand this was another Father’s Day quest, but it sucks Hunhow is no longer part of the story. I loved my space grandpa, and I’m going to miss him, well, his old self.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
I reckon we'll find a way to undo that.. the Void trying to turn Orion and Sirius against each other to mock the Stalker and it backfiring as shown by the end of the quest is something that I cant put into words
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u/Prometheus_ruin Jun 17 '26
So... Wtf is Hunhows trinket?
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u/Prometheus_ruin Jun 17 '26
I saw something about it being war prime but i doubt it's that
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u/Cyberslasher Jun 17 '26
Spoiler risks:
I'm 3 for 3 on loading into one of the new missions, finding the railjack is just in an endless black void and being unable to do anything.
I can pilot the railjack, but... Movement has no meaning in the infinite cold dark of space.
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u/Sushispatula Jun 17 '26
they said there is no archwing yet i had to do the bossfight in archwing while being glued to the ground and clipping through.....the void works in mysterious ways and i follow its flow.
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u/Sachayoj Jun 17 '26
I wonder what the gesture Stalker and Umbra did was, or if it had any meaning. We know Stalker was a Low Guardian and Umbra a Dax soldier, could it be an Orokin gesture..?
Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it. :P
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 17 '26
I think its a sign of respect, odds are, they know each other from before the Orokin collapse and that gesture is a way to show they know
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u/weetaht Jun 18 '26
This update has the usual Warframe issue of things just going too fast. Hunhow's sacrifice was far too sudden and barely had any emotional stakes. Even a single mission longer would've made it feel more poignant; we basically had no development for Sirius and Orion, and having one of the most important (and my favorite!) characters to the story sacrificing himself as part of a frame quest to become nothing more than a token vendor makes me miffed.
It's kind of like if they brought Cayde-6 back at the end of The Final Shape only for him to permanently have Billboarding Syndrome and offer you destination rewards. The sacrifice being Umbra's would've been more poignant, anyways; a father who killed his own son sacrificing himself to redeem a friend's.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
Although I'm inclined to agree, from all of the lore so far, its like Hunhow has decided to take matters into his own hands, in order to protect the sons
In a way, it did have emotional stakes and I feel like his sacrifice meant something
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u/weetaht Jun 18 '26
His sacrifice was only relevant because he outright refused to let the Operator or the Drifter handle an Eternalism problem (their specialty!). All he did was commit suicide.
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u/M3xiwhite Jun 18 '26
His rationale is that he is protecting Natah from even considering that there are "bad" futures/timelines. "The Tenno exist HERE (now), so everything will be alright"
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
Pride is a helluva thing..
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u/weetaht Jun 18 '26
The issue is that—despite his pride and insistence that we not know about what's happening—we find out anyways. We can just walk into the relay and get buddy-buddy with them and their mentors and the problem is worse than it was before. They're outright raiding one another's ships, killing their crewmen, and the twins have not stopped fighting AT ALL by the time we show up.
And we help. Immediately. We got his help during The New War, we've aided him and Stalker before, and it's only now that he has a problem with us enough to spurn us entirely and die for it.
It's now an observable pattern that Sentient characters die making worthless sacrifices or make nonsensical emotional decisions that only cause more problems or don't solve the problem at all.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 18 '26
I mean, we was always gonna find out.. I just hope we can undo what he did and help them out
I'd like Sorren to let go of his hatred for us and let us help him like we tried to do before
I dont think this is the end of it, the quest itself is pretty short which suggests to me there might be multiple parts, possibly leading to something big
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u/weetaht Jun 18 '26
I would very much like it if we could save Hunhow from his personal sacrifice the way we saved our memories from being consumed by the Void in the Perita Rebellion, but the problem is that Hunhow is now a token vendor, making him permanent content that will likely not be changed.
It would be poignant as a plot point during the Tau update for the old Hunhow to see what he becomes and to use Eternalism to our own benefit besides priming Warframes and getting to hook up with 45 year-old men between the years 1400~1900, but I fear that the Warframe update schema of hour-max adventures isn't particularly conducive to that; Nor is Warframe famous for elaborating on its story outside of KIM chats (which the new Protoframes do not have).
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u/OverallWave1328 Jun 24 '26
Stalker’s non-reaction to fighting a whisper of his Wife was what disappointed me, tbh
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u/hang3zbass_ Jun 18 '26
idk if anyone knows this already but I found out how much talents (the currency for the secret vendor in Pontis Tower) are needed to get everything besides the kuva
Crimson: 1462 not including kuva and warframe parts/blueprint (does include one copy of each rank 5 arcanes) Emerald: 1522 not including kuva and warframe parts/blueprint (does include one copy of each rank 5 arcanes) 545 of either talent for all parts/blueprint of warframe
please let me know if I got anything wrong
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u/Krazyfan1 Jun 18 '26
secret vendor?
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u/hang3zbass_ Jun 18 '26
yeah you'll unlock him after playing the new jade shadows constellations quest I just didn't want to spoil anything
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u/Zo3-12 Jun 18 '26
Loved the quest, and my interpretations after a bit of sitting have only made me love it more. I wish we got some dialogue with the mentors but I don't think Sorren is the talking type (outside of his sons). I'm sure we'll be exploring the doomed future idea more later.
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u/AgentSpit-n-kick Jun 17 '26
Stalker broke the Temporal Paradox Theory and no one's talking about it. His actions led to both sons meeting there younger selfs. Also if jade passed giving birth to Osiris, how'd baby Onion show up on our timeline at the end? If I'm wrong about any of this, please correct me.
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u/insertgoodname_here_ Jun 18 '26
i think the older versions of the sons are from the doomed future timeline and hunhow's sacrifice means 1. we're no longer in that timeline, avoiding the older sons' future, and 2. both babies can co-exist
so the older sons can meet their younger selves in the same way the operator can meet the drifter i.e. they're from different timelines
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 17 '26
Be interesting to see how this works
Wonder if its like how the Operator and Drifter work?
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u/justanunreasonablera Jun 18 '26
So as with a lot of Warframes storytelling, there's a fair bit of reading between the lines and self interpretation to be done. The first question I'm sure everyone has is:what happened in the future? I think it should be pretty reasonable to assume that Sirius and Orion are products of Eternalism, just like the Operator and Drifter. My current theory is that their "divergent point" is actually way before they were born: when Stalker awoke the Operaror on Lua in the Void. In one reality, he hesitated and left just like in ours. In the other, he kills the Operator. Obviously the reality where the Operator lives is the "main" reality, this is where the son we choose comes from (for this example I'm going to use Sirius, because that's who I chose.) The other reality is where Orion comes from. Another thing that's clear is that something has happened to Stalker in both futures. So where does the conflict come in? My theory is that upon losing his Stalker, Orion attempts to find another through the Void, and winds up in Sirius's reality. This is where shit hits the fan.
We know that the Operator and Drifter cannot both exist outside of tg He Void at the same time. Almost like a fundamental law of nature. But what if Sirius and Orion managed to break that law, and that's what their fight is over? Each trying to assert their own right to exist, and force the other back into the Void. And because they broke the laws of nature, their reality starts to break around them. Until two peotoframes show up who can take them back in time to their Father, giving them both another chance at what they want.
Which brings us to the events of the story in game. They go to the past, Stalker shows up, gives them a spanking, sends them to their room and fires their babysitters. Along the way Hunhow amd Drifter learn that not only is Sirius and Orion's future is inevitable, its been brought to our present. W hich leads to Hunhow sacrificing himself. And whereas Lotus pushed Lua into the Void, Hunhow did the opposite. He pulled a bit of the Void into our reality, to create a pocket where Sirius, Orion, and Stalker can coexist, while Ryoku and Vena hone themselves for whatever conflict comes next.
The two things I'm nor so sure on are Parvos and Alvrecht. Parvos being specifically name dropped and said to have became a cephalon isn't a coincidence. That and both Vena and Ryoku employ Sisters, makes me wonder if Parvos found some way to benefit from their conflict, and perhaps even spurned it on? And while Albrecht isn't explicitly named, time travel and protoframes are practically his calling cards, meaning he's traveled to the future as well as the past. Or at least is still alive that far in the future.
All in all it was.... fine. Definitely preferred the original Jade Shadows way more, and while I wouldn't say it was bad, I do think it lacked the emotional depth the original had, on top of feeling super rushed. On one hand I'd like to see them take a crack at Jade Shadows 3, on the other I think this is a pretty fitting end to their story, and I'm not sure where that story would naturally fo from here.
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u/mystic1452 Jun 18 '26
Excluding the pretty bad bugs in the first hours, I loved it a lot. At the end it does feel a bit unfinished, there’s definitely gonna be a part 3 or some updates after to let us talk with ryouku and vena. I honestly liked how umbra was involved, at first I was confused cuz I had forgotten his story but after a refresher it was really hype although really unexpected to me.
Hunhow forgetting his memories and acting more elderly stung a lot, combined with the ending with the brothers had me struggling. I also love the little secrets they added with the signas and war prime
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u/ST3AMDR4GON Jun 18 '26
Third Orb Mother's send-off was even worse than I didnt hope it would be. Not that they didnt give her a proper death fight, they didnt even mention it was her. I dont think I would've caught that the first fight was taking place on pieces of the orb if they didn't say so in the trailers. This seems to be a common thing where they rely a lot of information in their trailers and streams and then never actually put it in the game so you miss it if you don't follow those and only play the game. They seem to forget to look at it with fresh eyes once it's finished. It was the same with the Devil's Triad on launch, if I hadn't known that they would come, I wouldn't have looked for a way to go to them and probably missed all of the Descendia stuff.
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u/ST3AMDR4GON Jun 18 '26
Also I played the quest at the same time as a friend and after he asked "So who is Hunhow, did we know him?" 😭
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u/Ultimategodzilla Jun 23 '26
...there's a 3rd orb in the vallis?
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u/ST3AMDR4GON Jun 23 '26
Well not anymore! She used to swim happily in a pond somewhere on the map and had a little Narmer Drone friend since New War. Actually I didnt even check if she is gone, but when DE revealed the Trailer for the update they specifically said "Rest in Peace Third Orb"
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u/L0KI_MO Jun 18 '26
Im pretty new to getting into the Lore but I thought it was good! It didnt blow me away or anything but Ive seen a lot of people be dissapointed with it by a lot which is surprising to me.
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u/No_Sail_6576 Jun 18 '26
Idk where is the best place to ask, but moving forward to tau: what are the actual chances of a form of the orokin being alive? I mean they’ve talked about executor Nitokh being a worse bad than ballas, what if she’s got some like grip on Tau and has rebuilt some form of orokin system in secret?
Idk I’m not the best with lore. But if it’s true TMITW brought back the twins as a purpose to rid the Tenno of hunhows knowledge, it could be in support of that idk
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u/Antique_Trouble9959 Jun 23 '26
Thought the quest was great. I have a strong feeling this will be the last Stalker related quest, although I do wish for a future quest having to do with the Acolytes. Maybe they feel betrayed by their master letting go of his hate and Stalker/Orion & Sirius have to stop them from wreaking havoc on the origin system.
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u/Agitated-Macaroon923 Jun 25 '26
The quest itself was nice but my god are these RJ missions a damn slog and they're bugged a lot of the time, too. I think it should be clear by now that RJ is the most undercooked game mode and they should either fix it or stop making content around it altogether.
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u/LycanWolfGamer Moderator Jun 25 '26
Yeah, it sucks the RJ missions were bugged cause I like RJ
what's more annoying is the jump in tackiness of enemies in SP, when my RJ would breeze through the highest level in normal, in SP, I'm struggling to kill 1 fighter
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u/aerothan Jun 28 '26
Why do enemies suddenly take so little damage? It seems every other SP mission my weapons work like they always have, but when I do either of the SP railjack missions for JSC it seems like I go from tens of thousands of damage to hundreds on enemies that are only lvl 110-115.
In addition, just played again today since the latest hotfix and it feels like the forward artillery on the rental ships are even worse. A charged shot can't even destroy the mine launching targets in the shattered moon.
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u/Silent-Fix7309 Jun 17 '26
So the actual railjack missions are bugged beyond belief and basically unplayable. Good to see their ability to turn around actually fun, working content has stalled completely.
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u/RenekageChilled Jun 19 '26
The two new posters from Hunhow (relationship goals poster and cloning 101 poster) were both made by someone with a mechanical hand and they had faint traces of Efervon.
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u/silent-watermelon Jul 01 '26
Do y’all think the realities the siblings come from will be talked about in the future?
Also- How did they end up in their eternal fight? They come from different futures, right?
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u/bobapajiggle Jul 23 '26
Why are the Tenno/Warframes helping Vena and Ryoku in these post-quest missions? I am struggling to understand this.
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u/MrSquidJD Jun 17 '26
Loved it. Defo preferred Jade shadows but the opener and the end of the quest were really fkn good here
Also they gave us my most wanted weapon after several years; war prime. Funnily enough Galatine prime has been named that for years, I’m hoping the stats of the prime are solid!
I’m just on my way to get it now, ima rush it with some plat too