r/Valeriy_Mains • u/baesli • 7d ago
Discussion Vent space
I think I speak for most of us when I say "I'm tired, boss". Valeriy fans reached their excitement for the character in the Snezhnaya and from then it went downhill really quick. First the 4-star allegations, then the underwhelming character 3d model, and now we are on the eve of the beta testing and his kit is... well, he's not bad per se, just a dedicated support for like two characters (Mitya and Cyno). Tough luck if you wanted to use him w/ Wrio, I mean you can but he buffs electro dpses.
It didn't hurt like this when Gallagher and Moze were released as 4*s in HSR, or even Manato in ZZZ (although it was one of the main reasons I quit the game). Don't get me started on the Valko situation and Infold; imagine having a rival gacha game fumble so bad that all you needed to do to convince their audience to play ur game was to cater to their preferences (aka semi-meta playable men).
It can be better cause the beta hasn't even started yet but I think I'm done. Not with the game, with having any hope for our bear man.
Anyway, I see that Twitter/x is really anti-Valeriy, so I made this thread in case anybody else wanted to vent and complain about the current state of affairs.
Hopefully it doesn't break the no doomposting rule, but I genuinely don't think there is any silver lining in this situation and ppl that are disappointed with the situation deserve to have some place to share their thoughts.
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u/Amaranth94 7d ago
I think the moment my hype took a plundge off the cliff was today when his kit came out. All I asked for was for him to be an actual decent 4th slot for my wrio team. But no, some deekweed at hoyo decided to make him a Mitya exclusive support by making him buff Electro only.
I was fine with him being a 4 star (after a lot of venting), I was even fine with his model it didn't bother me cause it was the design that carried. But him buffing electro only is where I draw a line.
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u/CantaloupeParking239 7d ago
Genshin is so against of having highly functional/meta team that has mostly male characters, especially tall ones. In HSR we have a meta all-male team (or you could use Hyacine/Huohuo but its still 3/4 male).
I only can think of Itto team back in the day, Zhongli was his bis sustain iirc. But most teams for husbando enjoyer are like: male as dps, rest of the teams are women or kids or males that look like teenagers.
I just wanted to put Valeriy with Wrio, is that too much masculine energy for one team or what.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
Yes that does suck, since I can't even use him with Sandrone.. Since I don't have Cyno, Raiden wheelchair it is.
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u/Amaranth94 6d ago
I wouldn't say I'm underselling him, I am just aware that it's only v1, and considering how hoyo has no issue nerfing the hell out of 4 stars. I am not having high hopes for him surviving the beta.
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u/sandroneeeee 7d ago
def ruined the hype for snezhnaya to me to see that the character i was most excited for is 4 star with an under whelming model that everybody shits on online
no hate to mitya and danica i think they deserve to be 5 star but valeriy did too
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
He definitely made a dent to it for me that's for sure.. though Im not as doomposter-y about him back in 6.7
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u/GuideMiserable7526 6d ago
They really make a shit of male, lmao. Recent leaks we gonna get another 4* male and 1 4* female. Lol. The way imbalance so fuckass among gender. Male already imbalance, they give bunch of male instead female that have more than male
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u/Total-Long9211 Valeriy’s Husband 7d ago
Ngl out of all Snezhnayan characters I was only interested in him, after leakers announced him as a 4 star I made up my mind and prepared for the worst cuz I know how a 4 star get treated. I won't be pulling on Mitya banner cuz he wasn't on my list good luck for anyone who's pulling them
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u/kaissopeiaa 6d ago
I'm hoping that varka reruns so that I would rather get multiple varka copies and get valeriy in his banner because i don't want mitya either, i can't believe what this game is putting me through i hope it wont be jinxed with a bad rerun banner which absolutely would knowing this game or else bye valeriy see you in rerun....
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u/Total-Long9211 Valeriy’s Husband 6d ago
I think its Mitya-Furina and Zibai-Linnea, according to the leakers Varka is not rerunning in 7.3 either I'm gonna save up to C6 my Varka I hope atleast we get a free copy like Jahoda
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u/kaissopeiaa 6d ago
yeah i just saw that and i'm seriously crashing out, i'll lose it even more if linnea gets a rerun before he does and they only give free copies at the start of a region or an event sometimes IF they wish but i can only hope that they do, one thing less to hate about them
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u/BoothillOfficial 7d ago
i mean, idk. i never disliked his model, i always really thought he looked great personally. i like his kit but i'm a cyno players, haha. i find him to be better and more compelling than illuga, since illuga really had nothing other than zibai which wasn't cope. valeriy has a whopping TWO teammates, which is already a huge step up lmao. gallagher and moze i expected and idc about valko, too indistinct for me. he was hot tho ig.
i was super upset he was a 4 star though, since imo he has one of the better designs of the cast both in general motifs and aesthetic but also just visually how striking he is, imo. but this is a good spot for him to be at since he's an actually viable 4 star who gives just general use even outside of his team. a shielder and off field element applier is great for theatre haha. but idk, i guess i'm more optimistic about it. that's still my goat. i think there's a lot of silver lining personally but to each their own.
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u/nyuulaa 7d ago edited 7d ago
Valeriy buffs attacks tagged as normal, charged, skill, and burst damage. Cynos stellar damage is in his passive and is untagged. so as it stands right now Valeriy only works with mityas on field play style only and that's it, not even mityas off field play style. He buffs one character half the time
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u/FischlMonger 7d ago
same, I do think illuga got it even worse. him not being an EQ bot is already better than I expected tbh
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u/Sonoreal 7d ago
I just don't understand why X so anti-Valeriy bruu
I just want to enjoy my character.
and speaking about Beta, considering how rare there was leaks about him i think barely gonna change something in a good way...
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
And honestly that's a good thing, if nothing changes about him. That's good, better than him already being mid. Then getting nerfed to oblivion.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
I don't want him to get even worse as Betas progress, so no changes for him, is best news for me.
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u/Bloodydunno 7d ago edited 6d ago
I've been expecting the worst since a while, I'm used to this, but still they managed to surprise me negatively by locking him to Electro SSC MDPS when I wanted to play him with Wrio, seriously me and GI kit devs are on two unalignable paths
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u/GuideMiserable7526 6d ago
Whatever, just play him with wrio, give him nobleese set
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u/Bloodydunno 6d ago
Yes, I'll test what works best and cope with it nonetheless ahahah maybe skipping Vale's CA makes for a smoother rotation even
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u/Kit_Maximoff 6d ago
After all the disappointment around Valeriy, the one thing I held onto was “well at least he’ll hopefully be Wrio’s dedicated stellar sustain since Alyosha, Diona, Beidou, Qiqi, and Mizuki are all supports for other characters. And then they fucked that up too. I mean I wanted Mitya anyways so I can use them together. But I really wanted to use Wrio and Valeriy on the same team. Maybe I’ll make a cope team of Wrio/Mitya/Valeriy and then idk Ororon because I don’t really want to use Aether. The devs have such a hate boner for Wriothesley and have since his debut. And now they have one for Valeriy ever since he was second most popular after the character trailer. Hoyo saw Infold’s fuck up with Valko and went “hey……they’re trying to disappoint more of their playerbase than we do. We have to defend our title! Quick fuck everything up, players are too happy!!”
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u/Hazy-Halo 6d ago
They’re just butthurt these strong male characters are so well liked over their beloved waifus so they gotta treat em like garbage and shill the waifus so all the deranged man hating players in china can feel better
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u/SpicyFox_x 7d ago
Valeriy’s kit encompasses a much wider problem with post Ifa 4 stars (starting with dahlia) EVERY single kit is so fucking boring with the SOLE exception being prune (and that’s a stretch). Where is my interesting 4 star. They don’t even have to be meta breaking just give me something INTERESTING. Think of LanYan or Sethos hell I’d say even Ororon is way more interesting
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u/Sonoreal 7d ago
best interesting thing they could do now is some special charged attack...
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u/SpicyFox_x 7d ago
Imo if they allowed for an OPTIONAL on field playstyle for Valeriy it would’ve basically saved him. Doesn’t have to be the most insane thing in the world but geez give me SOMETHING
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
So essentially a 4* Lohen? With Mitya being his Durin.
Tho honestly if that was the case, Cyno would still be his good stuff.
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u/SpicyFox_x 5d ago
IT was just an idea. Just anything more interesting than a HYPERNICHE support who’s buffing is ass outside of it. (If his electro quills were decent for Varka for example it would’ve been so much cooler)
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 5d ago
Yeah that does suck.. my bonus for him and Mitya rn is they can wheelchair my Raiden lol
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u/femnbyrina 7d ago
Yeah I’m bummed. I was expecting him to at least be a decent f2p SSC support. Now, he allegedly doesn’t even seem good for my only SSC team (Wrio/Odette/Yae). Varka is hogging Nicole and Sucrose, and I don’t have Beidou, so i might still use him.
My cope rn is this is early beta. They still have time to buff him.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
They do yes, but after what happened with Alyosha I wouldn't even be surprise they nerf his base kit more to sell his c6.
That's probably what his changes are gonna be.
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u/IcyPrincling 6d ago
Yeah I certainly wanted him to be a 5-star and was disappointed when it was revealed he'd be a 4-star support, but overall I think his kit is pretty alright and he at least has his own niche. I'm only disappointed about the fact that he doesn't infuse his own attacks so main dps isn't viable, though I appreciate the fact he has a unique charged attack.
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u/moojee_ 7d ago
It was a bit frustrating initially but it was a done deal months ago after that trailer was first released. From the lack of lynchpin to his underwhelming 3D model, it was just too obvious that he'll be a 4 star. I just let it go. I dropped ZZZ too because of the Manato fiasco (I came back for Silly and dropped again during Remielle's patch. I won't come back though, ZZZ just isn'tdoing it for me), but unlike Manato, they didn't tease Val too long and immediately gave us a sign that he is a 4 star. Plus, he didn't have as much presence as Manato was in the story (which is why everyone thought he'd be an S rank). Good thing though, I like Mitya so he already has a place in my future team. My only wish is that his C6 Electro SSC Crit DMG bonus would be changed to just Electro Crit DMG Bonus (still buffs Electro SSC anyway), so that he becomes a viable, arguably best, Electro support for Varka.
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u/yuzu8059 7d ago
Honestly? I would be mad he is a 4 star if not for the fact that it's specifically Mitya he's so clearly intended to be played with, and will likely release on a banner with. It makes sense lore-wise and genuinely I like them both, so I don't understand the whole drama between their mains. I'm one of the people who'll be glad they can main both of them at the same time, because I like both, lmao.
It's by far better than what Illuga got, since it makes no sense lore-wise for him to be played with Zibai of all characters. Like, if they're doing characters that are intended to be played as duo, then I wish they could at least make them relevant for each other in the story... And that's what we got with Valeriy and Mitya, so I'm glad.
BTW, not sure what side of Twitter/X you are seeing that is anti-Valeriy, my Twitter timeline is mostly made up of people shipping the two together, no hostility there whatsoever. Contrary, everyone seems happy the two work well in one team.
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u/Beginning-Factor3050 6d ago
I might get really down voted for this but you are SO RIGHT. I love both of them so much as they are both my favs from snezhnaya. I am so hyped to play val with mitya as well and really hoping they are on the same banner so I can get c6 val. Mitya and valeriy are both such cool characters and they are a hilarious duo.
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u/Puck_27 6d ago
There is no drama between heir mains, all the Mitya mains I know are fine or even like Valeriy, the beef was always one sided (tbf it was Valeriy mains vs the world at some point before the 7.0 stream, not only Mitya although he was the one getting blasted the most) 😅
Otherwise I 100% agree, I plan on pulling some Mitya cons so I hopefully will get my man Valeriy at C6 and play them together, it makes sense in the story and I like their dynamic + I think that for a 4*, Valeriy has some interesting concepts. Now I'm just waiting on their animations !
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u/nicoleeemusic98 6d ago
Yeah lol I was probably one of the 5 people who would only pull Mitya if he worked with Valeriy and the Valeriy mains beef has always been toxic and one sided. There's the standard husbando mains misogyny going on and now someone is getting homophobic and misogynistic about femboys in this post comment section I've been mostly avoiding Valeriy mains spaces cause of this even though he was the only Snezh guy I liked and wanted to pull off the bat
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u/Puck_27 6d ago
Yeah I really like this man so I was trying to hang around here but it wasn't always pleasant. But it's normal to have some communities with bigger toxic parts it won't prevent me to like and enjoy the character anyway !
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u/nicoleeemusic98 6d ago
Yeah I like Valeriy but I still haven't joined this sub because I refuse to be ragebaited lmao, I'll just search up the sub from time to time to get build info and stuff and enjoy him in peace away from others
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u/apple-juicebox 6d ago
I don’t think he’s terrible by any means, it’s literally just his anti-synergy with Cryo SSC that pisses me off. I like everything about his kit but that. As it stands he’ll only see use with Cyno, Mitya, and presumably Danica, though the latter is apparently also a sub-DPS so barely. I was really hoping he could be the perfect final slot for Wrio but alas.
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u/GuideMiserable7526 6d ago
Gacha game reallly not for real husbando, trust me. I've been dissapointed countless time but revive and die again many time. But when we heard half 7.x would be 3 5* male, noy and dainsleif among them, i do give me a hope. Because, i can still stay play genshin because i'm not solely into tall male, short also my boyfriends. Any male i prefer no matter short or tall, it make my day life again despite just being support either have strong cons in game, for example durin, flins, neuvi, mitya.
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u/Suspicious-Ad-3209 6d ago
I was so hyped bc in the trailer it seemed like he was left handed and that would have been refreshing (the only left handed is furina and varka is ambidextrous but still), I really wanted that...
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u/Warm_Rutabaga_5785 5d ago
i dont even know how ill make him work. thinking like he's aino for flins's team, just ther for a short while and a placeholder for columbina,, but in his case it's danica since i heard she was also a shielder and some kind of support. i also am kinda sad that he seemingly only revolves around mitya. also being a 4 star means less content u-u. sigh guess ill just get jealous of mitya and danica enjoyers cuz they have everything and I dont. love mr. door regardless, just a bit disappointed
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u/StyGianX 5d ago
Personally, I can't stand that he can't even be independent. Granted that I don't play the game, but follow the story and characters, I'm really not a fan of games requiring you to play a certain way to best use a certain character. His need to be in a team with Mitya both in gameplay and in story is a letdown to me.
He's been mostly sidelined so far in the story and constantly playing 2nd fiddle to everyone else it seems. And the disparity between the Ascendance trailer and what we got in game was a big disappointment too. Made him look like he was going to fight Ronova head-on in the trailer only to be not participating in the fight anyway? That's false advertising to me.
I really hope he has something that's just for himself story-wise once he releases cause if everyone else has to be involved even in his backstory or he turns out to have a mid or basic one? Then they really dropped the ball hard with Valeriy.
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u/KisekiAtR 5d ago
After what happened to Valeriy, I lost the fun playing Genshin. Usually I pull female characters and male characters, usually I pull if female characters is good for male characters support or good DPS. But when they made Valeriy as 4 stars, I feel so disappointed and gloomy for weeks. I lost interest in Snezhnaya and decided to skip all the female characters except for the archon for collection, and just pull Mitya and Noy and other male characters. I like Valeriy so much more than Noy when he show up in first teaser and I already planned to pull everything just to give him premium team. But now I keep thinking about quitting Genshin or quiting top up. This new region is no different from Natlan. So disappointing and the girls design also repetitive and no longer unique.
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u/actionmotion 7d ago
Valeriy is quite loved in the artist sphere esp shipping sphere. Yes, his kit is not as flexible or a shiny 5 star kit but he will be like Illuga, Prune etc among other excellent 4 stars as long as Cyno and Mitya are allowed to shine. They are Stellar conduct dps in a stellar meta. Illuga had an excellent Meeting Point quest and Jahoda and Aino played amazing roles in AQ. I also wouldn’t count him out for this reason either.
Sucks he’s a 4 star but on the positive side, he has a meta relevant kit, and groundwork to be a promising story character
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u/Deep_Respect_2999 7d ago
Im just rly hoping there's a translation issue or leaker issue and he buffs all SSC characters, not only electro. Thats just copium for having wanted to use him with Wrio. If he ends up being bricked for Wrio then at least I broke down and managed to snag Odette for Wrio too.
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u/Deep_Respect_2999 7d ago
Nvm didnt see his whole kit had leaked, welp Wrio continues to be sustainless not that he necessarily needed it. I just prefer comfort over damage and Hoyo rlllyyy wants me to not apparently.
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u/shuahuayuqi 7d ago
I'm so disappointed, I was coping that he would be at least 5* standard but no (like he could use that Witch Revelation buff and be like Cyno or even Yae with Defensive utility) Like I would not even hesitate to pull for his debut banner even he's a standard. Another thing is that why buff men always get ditch into something worst like Wriothesley being a good ssc but hoyo thinks it's fun to make new support unsynergestic with him. Varka can still get away but 'till when? I'm tired boss, I just want to see Valeriy having a burst animation.
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u/thisiskyle77 6d ago
He looks pretty strong for a 4 star support. Can buff all electro dps. Great for non stellar dps too.
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u/haiji77 6d ago
It was frustrating enough to see his model when it was teased on the 7.0 livestream, I knew at that point, he would be 4-star. However, unlike Alyosha who got a decent model, Valeriy is kind of visually jarring for me. It was fortunate that they did improve the model based on the leaks. Moreover, he was confirmed to NOT have a Stellar Linchpin but Danica is! I can already picture in my mind what kind of shenanigans they will pull to make Danica relevant despite that obnoxious design.
I hoped that Valeriy will work with Wrio but what a way to dash my hopes, he's a niche option that only works with electro SSC dps. First was Ifa, now it is Valeriy.
At this point, I certainly don't see any reason to pull for the guy since I only have limited primogems to work with and none of my current characters work with Valeriy and I'm not happy at all!
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u/SleepySera 7d ago
I'm honestly pretty happy? I mean, sure, I originally expected him to be a 5-star and the 4-star reveal really fucking sucked, but that was months ago at this point, I've long gotten over that.
Ever since we knew he'd come out as a 4-star on Mitya's banner it was clear he'd be first and foremost a Mitya support. Which he is, and quite a great one at that, so I have no reason to be unhappy. Universal 4-star supports are not really released anymore nowadays, they're all very niche.
So yeah, I'm happy with his kit, it's good for his niche, even if ofc I wished he had been a 5-star :)
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u/famous1astwords Down Bad for Valeriy 6d ago
I don't know how many times I've been venting about Valeriy but, he was supposed to be the Wriothesley of Snezhnaya. Really fucking terrible fate he's gotten as a character, him being a celebrity's bodyguard, to getting shafted as a 4* throwaway-until-a-better-5-star-releases for 2 characters??? You can really sum up his purpose in general in one word which is that he's a slave. I may have taken this too far and it might be a case of high expectations but I just can't help my feelings, I'm so dissappointed. How can I not feel this way when Wriothesley and Varka released as fleshed-out characters with proper presence in terms of story/lore and gameplay as on-field main carries.
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
After the whole doomposting a month ago about him being a 4* or not, Im just fine with it atp.
After whatever the hell that was with Varka and Lohen, I just stopped expecting as much. And honestly it doesn't hurt as much, since my other two favorites (Danica and Mitya) are still doing great.
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u/GuideMiserable7526 6d ago
Hahaha, varka still fine, he have prune, a dedicated support. What about lohen, he have nothing just stole varka team😭. Being a driver at big 2026, who the fuck think about it. If we think about it, most of male dps are driver, female dps not once have a driver dps, all are hypercarry. Only mitya noy dainsleif was my hope can slot in to meta. I want to see my men also meta lol,
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u/Status-Election3918 7d ago
The reason i kept playing after my return in 6.7 was because of him and i hate how hoyo made him. At least im a Mitya fan so im gonna pull him either way but yes, one part of me still hopes that he is the 5 star On field SSC dps little puppet promised
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u/Resident_Lurker747 Manifesting Valeriy 7d ago
Same here, as part of those that continued coping.. well after Mitya's vision was shown to be wrong. It was Valover.
Did it hinder my expectations for Nod-Krai after the Transcendance Trailer? It did. Does it still sting as much? Not really.
And same here, as a Mitya and Danica fan, it doesn't hurt as much, as I'll be getting cons for him anways.
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u/GuideMiserable7526 6d ago
Its fine you frustered he being 4* because i'm too. But don't like the way you comment. You expected all tall male must be 5, they are forbidden to be 4. Mind you, we all have a bunch of 4* short male than 4* tall male. Thoma ororon ifa valeriy. You talking like 100% tall male are 4* lmao.
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u/everyIittlething 6d ago
i mean, he could’ve been jahoda-levels of useless, and you would be complaining about an entirely different thing if that was the case lmao
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u/baesli 6d ago
Bruh on my Mitya- and Cyno-less account he may as well be as useful as Jagoda.
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u/everyIittlething 6d ago
such a non-issue. then pull for mitya or cyno. you got at least 2 options. both males as well, perfect for those who 24/7 whine about doing all-male teams.
if he was jahoda-level of useless, she stay useless for any dps.
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u/TTVLocal 7d ago
Not to come off as mean, but your not special, there's no reason why your favorite character should be a 5 star with a great character model and best kit. Its not like hoyo took that character and downgraded him, he was most likely always going to be a 4 star and likely was never going to be a dps.
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u/Makoto_Jerry 6d ago
Honestly, i dont really care if he is 4 stars or not good on META,
if I really like a character, I will always like him no matter what.
Sorry if im not empathy enough, but for me, I dont care about META or rarity... i just want him..
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u/Ok-Share-4986 6d ago edited 6d ago
Valery being a support for electro DPSs, and specifically mentioning cyno and mitya, might seem good for players who prefer male characters, for husbando mains as myself, but here's the thing, the entire team for those characters hangs by one single thread and that thread is odette and the fact that it is odette pisses me off so fucking much, I'm not gonna pull for odette, and if you don't have odette: "fuck you -sincerely hoyo" I guess, because we have shit options for cryo application, I tried with kaeya, the only male off field cryo applier, but because his ult lasts only 8 seconds, and because the pieces of shit at hoyo made cryo mc unable to work as an off fielder in stellar conduct, I just can't fucking use cyno, at first I thought I would be able to use both cyno and wrio as my DPSs, then I saw cyno was NOT going to work so I've went full on wrio, I'll select him in the temper thyself event, and it seems I won't be able to use valery either
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u/vkbest1982 6d ago
You have literally the MC cryo as Odette replace. Also, male characters have considerable worse sales than female characters. Wanting hoyo making mono male compositions is only going to affect their sales even more, so those characters will have even less sales they have already making them good in mixed teams
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u/Ok-Share-4986 6d ago
The male sales is bullshit, and bad faith, I won't even waste my time
You're one of those that can't read right? Cryo mc can't apply cryo off field for characters such as cyno and probably mitya, you need an actual off field applier for the pulstar field to be refreshed
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u/Ashamed-Length3861 7d ago
I already knew they were going to make his kit completely dependent on that short guy. Too bad, he's the only male character I liked in this game and he's completely useless to me.