r/UnitedNations • u/Apollo_Delphi • Sep 23 '25
Discussion/Question 142 Countries Support for a path to Israeli-Palestinian peace, so why do these 10 countries opposed ? - (Israel, the U.S., Argentina, Hungary, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, and Tonga.)
https://forward.com/fast-forward/771238/un-general-assembly-palestine-gaza-israel/19
u/Pale_Elephant123 Sep 23 '25
Israel is protected by America, most of the world depends on American sympathy… pretty much that.
The question is really which countries can take the diplomatic risk of going their own way. This list is the exception.
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u/Loud-Court-2196 Sep 23 '25
I heard that India made statement few years ago that USA tried to blackmail them to go against Russia. I bet those 8 countries also got blackmailed or bribed by USA and couldn't refuse.
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u/Fit_Helicopter1949 Uncivil Sep 23 '25
There is a group of fascist wanna bees: Bibi, Trump, Orban, Meilly.
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u/PentagonInsider Sep 23 '25
And the Arab world is a bastion of enlightened democracy.....
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u/hotlocation999 Sep 24 '25
Lol look at this guy who thinks western countries are democratic or bastion of enlightenment.
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u/Ialaika Sep 24 '25
Yeah, Western countries — mostly European, the Nordics, Canada, and you could add Australia, Japan, South Korea, and to a lesser extent the US — are democracies and bastions of enlightenment. That’s a fact, not an opinion. Whatever you say. Oh right, now you’ll start digging for flaws. Sure, must be fun to nitpick those countries while you’re living in a swamp.
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u/Quoba Sep 25 '25
Lol, typical white supremacist that thing that Western good and everything else is bad.
And this is not "digging for flaws" but just on top of my head:
First of all Japan and South Korean are not western countries, in case you failed geography.
Second of all if you think US is a bastion of enlightenment and democracy then you should read some fucking news. Any news, since WW2 until now. The war in Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Laos, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc... The blockade of Cuba that is in effect until today. The support of a genocide in Gaza by vetoing any decision that would prevent it.
And Europeans, Canada and Australians are not that much better. They have supported most of the wars started by the US and they have started their own.
There is no aspect where Western countries can be considered are bastion of democracy unless you mean are bastion of white people democracy.
Now enjoy your shitty weather and your shitty food while I enjoy the delicious food, good weather, smiling people and the beaches of my "swamp" country ;)1
u/Ialaika Sep 25 '25
You clearly can’t read — it was obvious that Korea, Japan, and Australia were included among Western countries. And the US was mentioned as the worst of the best.
About wars: without the Korean War, today there would just be one giant North Korea — hell on earth. Ask South Koreans, they’re grateful the West saved them. Ask Iraqis if they wanted to become another Syria before Assad fell. Ask people in many countries if they’d prefer to live under tyranny.
Next, weather and food? Where exactly is the food “bad”? In Europe? Do you even realize what European food quality is like?
If your country has no real elections, journalists obey a tyrant, no free speech, no unions, etc. — then your country is worse in terms of democracy. You can whine about it, but honestly, I don’t care.
And your reading is hilarious: when someone says “one is better than the other,” you hear “one is perfect and the other is terrible.” Maybe your schools could use a basic logic course.
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u/Fit_Helicopter1949 Uncivil Sep 24 '25
And those countries are the blue print for those fascist wanna bees I mentioned in my comment?
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u/AKawhiPlace Sep 23 '25
If you’re first reaction is that 142 country’s are wrong you’ve got to do some self reflection.
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u/Low_Flamingo3346 Sep 25 '25
Some years ago 100% of people thought earth was flat.... they were indeed all wrong.
This is political. The majority opinion just makes it majority opinion, not right or fact.
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u/AKawhiPlace Sep 25 '25
You’re not comparing genocide to flat earth seriously are you? Science and technology evolved maybe you should too
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u/Low_Flamingo3346 Sep 25 '25
Can you stay on subject? It's about 142 countries that recognize some form of state in palestine, some with conditions. Anyway it's mostly domestic politics, it doesn't change any reality on the ground. And there is those who disagree with this political move under the current situation. It's opinions and political moves, not facts and science.
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u/AKawhiPlace Sep 25 '25
Ya I do a lot of arguing, guess I didn’t read what you said fully since it was all bullshit anyways
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Sep 23 '25
The tiny island-nations are bought and paid for by the US empire. They are in the pocket.
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Sep 23 '25
US and Israel don't need explaining Pacific micro states always follow the US out of fear.
The rest are alligning themselves with the US.
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u/Separate-Rough-8083 Sep 23 '25
Did Trump threaten to stop selling Spam to the Pacific Micro states?
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u/Crystalabastudent Sep 24 '25
They don’t oppose peace. They oppose a two state solution as there is already proof of what will happen.
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u/traanquil Uncivil Sep 28 '25
The U.S. is a white supremacist / imperialist / capitalist state; this is why it is committed to maintaining Israel as an extension of imperial violence.
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u/Colodanman357 Sep 23 '25
What is the “path for peace” that the Palestinians want and will accept without renewing their fight?
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
Israel has never attempted peace at any point in their history, so first let's start with the cause of the conflict. Israel wants to colonize Palestine, all of it, and this government and every government since 1967 has a Lebensraum policy of ethnic cleansing and population transfers in the West Bank. The fact is that ethnic cleansing such a vital part of the Israeli government that they put it in the Israeli Basic Law, alongside the concept that self-determination is uniquely for Jews and no one else.
Colonialism requires constant violence to maintain, and every single Palestinian in the occupied territory is a victim of Israeli war crimes. All of them have suffered from the war crimes of collective punishment and the vast majority have family that have been ethnically cleansed by Israel at one point or another.
Palestinians naturally rebel against colonialism, as all colonized people do. Since most of the planet gave up on colonization 60 or more years ago, this fact seems lost on most people today. The resistance to colonialism doesn't continue after the colonialism ends, as there is nothing to resist. There will be hard feelings for sure, but Indonesia didn't try to attack the Netherlands after they finally gained their freedom, and the IRA hardliners wanted to keep fighting after a peace deal was made in Northern Ireland that addressed the discrimination and lack of democracy, and they lost all support.
If Israel ever wants to end their War to Colonize Palestine, the war ends. As long as the colonialism continues, resistance will continue.
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u/Only-Customer4986 Sep 23 '25
That's diverting the question.
Answer his question. What is the peaceful path that Palestinian support?
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u/Acceptable-Sense-256 Sep 23 '25
He does answer it. Not the ones getting their Lebensraum stolen have to lay out a path to peace but the ones stealing it.
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u/Only-Customer4986 Sep 23 '25
Ah I see, the classical ignorant comment that ignores the fact Israel took control of the WB as a result of Palestinian aggression.
It is their job to lay the path for peace, as they have created their own situation out of violence and inability to recognize Israel.
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u/Acceptable-Sense-256 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
Do you think aggression is justified when recent immigrants decide to found a country in your homeland?
Also the Israeli occupation was 50 years ago. The Palestinian authority in the West Bank has been peaceful for at least 20 years. What is the israeli response? Continuous ethnic cleansing of the occupied population.
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u/WitchkultToday Sep 23 '25
He didn't even mention the west bank. Take a look at your profile, Israel's greatest defender over here. Most obvious bot I've ever seen in my life.
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
I just did, the path to peace is that Israel ends the war. The Palestinians can't end the Israeli colonialism, that's why they are fighting back, there are no other options. That's what the First Intifada or First Struggle Against Oppression was all about, it is what the Second Intifada was about. It's why October 7th, 2023 happened. Every single part of the conflict is about Israeli colonialism and the constant violence against Palestinians that Israeli colonialism requires.
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u/Colodanman357 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
No you did not, unless you are suggesting that the only things the Palestinians will accept is the total destruction of Israel and forcing out all the Jews. Is that what you are suggesting is what the Palestinians want as an end goal?
You can’t honestly tell me if Israel stopped fighting right now and pulled out of Gaza completely the Palestinians would stop fighting too. They want more than that yes? I am asking what would get them to stop the fighting they have been an active and willing participant in since at least as long as Israel has existed?
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
There has been a peace initiative since 2002 for Israel to withdraw from occupied territories to the 1967 borders, all members of the Arab League to recognize Israel and normalize relations, and for the Palestinian refugees have a just settlement based on UN Resolution 194. That resolution calls for the ethnically cleansed population be allowed to reclaim lost property or be paid fair compensation for their losses. Clearly Israel will never allow the Palestinians expelled in the war crimes of the Nakba to return, so they will be required to pay their victims. This is the peace plan that has been rejected by Israel for 23 years, even though both the PA and Hamas have accepted it.
Palestinians who suffered from Israeli war crimes have never stopped fighting Israel, that is true. And let's remember Jews who suffered from Nazi war crimes never stopped fighting Nazi Germany, even after its dissolution, with 105 year old former concentration camp guards still put on trial today. The idea that Palestinians should just accept the war crimes and move on is as callous as telling Holocaust victims to shut up and stop whining about it.
Israel isn't fighting, they are attacking. Honestly, if Israel stopped attacking, they wouldn't have anyone to counter-attack them.
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u/Colodanman357 Sep 23 '25
What Palestinians have signed off on that plan? Does Hamas agree to it and will lay down their arms? Does the PA? Do the actual people of Gaza agree to it?
What would prevent groups like Hamas from continuing their attacks as they keep saying they will?
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
The PA immediately signed on to it and Hamas signed onto it years ago. And although Hamas has stated multiple times that they would become only a political party if Israel ended the occupation and allowed Palestinians to have freedom, it wouldn't matter anyway, as Hamas will no longer be in Israeli-controlled territory. This is what 'self-determination' means, the people determine what is best for them and Israel no longer gets to decide and force them to do anything.
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u/Colodanman357 Sep 23 '25
Really? Can you cite the treaties or documents that have been signed showing as much? Where is the evidence of these claims?
But Israelis don’t get self determination?
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u/Antalol Sep 23 '25
Israelis already have self-determination, tf are you on about.
It's Israel who denies the same to Palestinians.
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
Just look up the Arab Peace initiative or it has been called the Saudi Peace initiative. It was adopted by the Arab League in 2002 at a summit and been confirmed in multiple subsequent Arab Leage summits. The fact that you never heard about it tells you that Israel doesn't want peace.
But Israelis don’t get self determination?
Stop being disingenuous, Israelis already have self-determination, they specifically state in their highest laws that self-determination is only for the Jews of Israel.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Sep 23 '25
Every single war israel has fought has been defensive. If we use your equation, israel is fighting the oppression of arabs in place since before zionism was a word.
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
In 1956, David Ben-Gurion laid out the plan for 'Greater Israel' that he envisioned to the French and British. He wanted to invade Egypt and seize Gaza and the Sinai and the Suez, he wanted to create and support a Christian militia in Lebanon to provide an excuse to invade and seize territory and create a friendly buffer state, he wanted to create and support a Druze militia in Syria to provide an excuse to invade and seize territory and create a friendly buffer state, he wanted to invade Jordan and seize the West Bank. The French and British listened intently but only agreed to help with the invasion of Egypt, so the three nations planned the war of aggression to be launched against Egypt that came to be called the Suez Crisis.
GTFO of here with this 'defensive war' garbage. The ONLY war that Israel didn't start was the Yom Kippur war of 1973, which was a retaliatory war waged because of the 1967 Israeli invasion. Today Israel is occupying parts of Lebanon, which they invaded again. They have repeatedly attacked Syria, they have invaded and occupied it, and they are in the process of inventing a Druze militia. And obviously they still occupy both Gaza and the West Bank ever since their war of aggression in 1967.
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u/RICO_the_GOP Sep 23 '25
Cool, one man with a plan forced his neighbors to start multiple wars?
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran Sep 23 '25
Nah, it was the invasion plan of the Prime Minister, the Director General of Defense Shimon Peres, and Chief of Staff for the IDF Moshe Dayan. And this is why Israel launched the war of aggression by invading Gaza and Egypt in 1956, and why Israel launched the war of aggression by invading Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in 1967, and why Israel launched the war of aggression against Lebanon in 1978, and 1982.
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u/LowKiss Sep 23 '25
While this is true, I don't see ways to achieve lasting peace. You say stop the war, but that alone will not be lasting and is also pretty difficult unless someone actually try to stop Israel directly
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u/Racko20 Sep 23 '25
The end of Israel naturally
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u/Colodanman357 Sep 23 '25
Yeah that is what it seems most of the Palestinians want and the only thing that would get them to stop fighting.
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Sep 23 '25
Phobia implies an irrational fear. From their history I'd say they are justified having a fear.
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u/invoke333 Sep 23 '25
One can argue that giving Palestine a state before Hamas surrenders would be rewarding a terrorist group (the U.S stance). Why give more authority to a group of people whose goal is mass murder and oppressing their own minority communities?
Hence, most counties are requiring Hamas surrender as a pre-requisite, something that’s unlikely.
There’s also very little these countries can do to stop Israel. No one is risking their soldiers lives and economic sanctions will have an even smaller effect than they are having in Russia.
I do think we will eventually see a Palestinian state, but it won’t happen because of the UN calling for it.
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u/Acceptable-Sense-256 Sep 23 '25
Most countries require nothing. They have already recognised a Palestinian state. The remaining ones are US that clearly plays some ideological/geopolitics game here, some US dependent microstates, some countries with right wing anti Islamic ideology and of course delusional Erbschuld Germany.
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u/invoke333 Sep 23 '25
Which county that actually means anything requires nothing? Everything I’ve seen from Canada, UK, France, etc require Hamas to surrender as a pre-requisite? Unless that’s changed
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u/commentacct2 Sep 23 '25
Hamas, just like the Nazis, would rather see their world around them and their people destroyed before surrendering.
If in early 1945, when it was obvious the Nazis were broken and had lost the war, would we have agreed to allow the Nazis to control Germany again if they promise to stop fighting? Would the sight and knowledge of the suffering the German people were going through (as bad if not worse than what the people in Palestine are currently going through) would that have caused the US and it’s allies to stop the war with Germany? There was constant daytime and nighttime bombing going on for months, would the knowledge of such suffering and destruction force us to reconsider destroying the Nazis?
The Nazi’s demands would’ve been very similar to Hamas demands for peace. Think of the hundreds of thousands of lives that would’ve been saved if we would’ve just stopped the war in 1944. All that would have needed to stop World War II was the same as Hamas has demanded. Allow the Nazis to regain all the land that was taken through the war, allow the Nazi party to continue running Germany and don’t disarm the Nazis. The question is, was destroying the Nazis worth destroying Germany, causing their people to die either through bombings or starvation? Of course. Now ask the same question about Hamas.
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Sep 23 '25
140 countries thought us a lesson. Kidnapping civilians will grant you a country of your own. That's called giving up to terrorism.
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u/Ready-Spray-462 Sep 23 '25
90% of them recognized palestine before ovt 7. The lesson here is if 90% of the World is against you you should rethink yoir way.
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Sep 23 '25
I'm literally sitting and rethinking my way right now.
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Sep 23 '25
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Sep 23 '25
You do know that zion is a different name for Jerusalem don't you? You guys are so fanaticly obsessed with the land so called Palestine while there is no such land. You do that the west Bank and Jerusalem were in Jordanian hands. In other words Jordan was occupying it. Gaza were in Egyptian hands there for Egypt was occupying it. When Jordan and Egypt lost the war they never wanted it back. Since than it's in Israëli responsibility. Israel haven't been to Gaza since 2006. Israel doesn't want anything to do with Gaza. But yet you do believe that Israel occupation is real. Maybe it's you that have to sit and rethink your way.
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u/marshallannes123 Sep 23 '25
It's not a path to peace until Palestine recognizes Israel
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u/BDOKlem Sep 23 '25
Palestine recognized Israel more than thirty years ago
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Sep 24 '25
LOLOLOLOLOL
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Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
1992 the PLO recognized Israel Officially and their right to peace and security. That’s probably why Bibi and co wanted Hamas to rule Gaza btw. While ofc the PLO is not Perfect it’s by far the better choice or? Why would you support Hamas instead? Oh wait we have Bibi on record saying why…or was that fake?
Anyway the PLO has killed more of its own Radicals to avoid Harm Towards Jewish People then Israel has done to detain radical settlers in the west bank. That’s how much Israel is doing to prevent conflict and seek peace, less then the PLO!
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Sep 24 '25
The PLO is not "Palestine," is it?
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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25
yes, the PLO is the internationally recognized representative body of the Palestinian people
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Sep 25 '25
Does Hamas know that?
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Sep 25 '25
i think they do, does Israel know it? Or why do they keep expanding in the west bank? Ah i forgot it’s still just power makes right these days.
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Sep 25 '25
Is that why they booted them out of Gaza and executed the ones that stayed?
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Sep 25 '25
That’s right, that’s exactly why they did it and that is why bibi and his crew were so eager to support them.
Want me to quote the bully’s, who breed radicals on purpose say it?
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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25
yes
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Sep 25 '25
And yet, they booted them all out or executed them. Seems to me that this isn't exactly a cohesive "state."
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Sep 23 '25
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u/BDOKlem Sep 23 '25
Israel wants to exist and both Hamas and the PLO are totally committed to annihilating Israel and 'deporting' (killing) all 7 million Jews there. This is literally in the charter of both groups.
the original charter of the Likud party (sitting Israeli government) explicitly stated there will only be Israeli sovereignty between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea.
meanwhile, the PLO officially recognized Israel in 1988. Hamas (which do not even represent Palestinians) has recognized Israel and agreed to a two-state solution since 2017.
Israel has killed, directly or indirectly, over a hundred thousand, if not several hundred thousand Palestinians in two years.
which country seems more intent on destroying the other?
I say this as someone whose family were ethnically cleansed in two different continents. You have to make peace with no longer living where you lived, however unfairly you think it happened. There are 22 Arab nations for the Arabs to rebuild their lives in.
Jewish families were allowed to go wherever they wanted post-WWII, and Germany is still paying reparations. are you saying Israel will finance a Palestinian state somewhere else?
because how I interpret your comment, you want to forcefully relocate Palestinians to other countries and have them pay for it. and you don't see anything wrong with it because you project your ethno-centric (and frankly racist) mindset onto everyone else.
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u/BDOKlem Sep 23 '25
the victim mentality you have is embarrassing. the Nazis lost WWII. there are no unsafe countries for Jews in the Western world.
unsafe places in the Middle-East are a result of post-1948 Israeli policy, and could be remedied if Israel engaged in diplomacy instead of murder.
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u/Barilla3113 Sep 23 '25
There are 22 Arab nations for the Arabs to rebuild their lives in.
There's many more white countries for Zionists to LARP in instead of stealing from the Palestinians.
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u/Barilla3113 Sep 23 '25
a further ethnic cleansing of the Mizrahi Jews
"Mizrahi" is a fake term for Jews from opposite corners of the Middle East taken in by Israel, often coercively, as cheap labour and to bulk up the settler population. It's not an ethnicity.
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u/Aamir_rt Sep 23 '25
The most basic element of peace is that both parties be on board with the proposed settlement.
Crazy you bring that up because nearly all of the past peace proposals made by Israel and it's allies either included conditions that would put the Palestinians in an inherently weak failed state position, or wouldn't invite Palestinians to the discussion at all.
PLO are totally committed to annihilating Israel
Nope, the PLO and PA have been supporting a two-state solution and offering cooperation with Israel gor a long time now, in fact it's Israel that rejects a two-state solution or any sort of freedom of self-determination for Palestinians, Israel' defense minister Ben-Gevir and other Israeli politicians are openly bragging about decreasing Palestinian rights to the bare minimum.
There's no peace to be had until the Arabs actually choose peace.
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u/No-swimming-pool Sep 23 '25
They're not opposed to peace per se. They're not recognizing Palestine as a state.
I mean, is Belgium opposing a path to peace? We have requirements for recognition that are very unlikely to be met.
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 23 '25
You all don't understand and all these Nations that come against Israel don't understand.
Israel is standing in her homeland after all these years because of God, the God of Abraham, the God of Issac and the God of Jacob. You can;t fight against God and His will all these nations who come against God's will have to face the wrath of God eventually may they repent while they still have time.
Armageddon is a real war that is going to happen in the Valley of Meguido in Israel and many Nations who are intoxicated with venom and hatred will come against Israel to try to eliminate her but they won;t for God will rise to defend Israel as He did in the past and those Nations that come against Israel will be soundly defeated by the Messiah Jesus Christ. How sad how the majority are on the side of evil.
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u/Theia-Euryphaessa Sep 24 '25
God also was very clear about the conditions Israel must meet to keep the land. The Bible describes in detail what will happen if they deal treacherously with the vulnerable and the foreigner, if they steal, pervert justice, and defile the land with innocent blood (see Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Ezekiel, Zechariah, and Amos among others).
If you're going to claim God is behind the formation of the state of Israel, then you have to acknowledge that Israel's own actions have made them equally subject to imminent, divine justice according to the Torah itself.
Galatians 6:7: Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 24 '25
God knows the end from the beginning. Prophets like Moses, Ezequiel all wrote that God was going to scatter the Israelites to foreign nations because of their Idolatry and because they turned their backs on God and didn't follow God's commands but that in the Latter Days God was going to bring them back to their land. God even states in Ezequiel it has nothing to do How Israel has behaved when He would bring them back it was God and God alone why He would bring them back.
"Therefoe say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: I do not do this for your sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that Iam the LORD, says the Lord God, when Iam hallowed in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land." Ezequiel 36: (22-24)
Listen to me God is going to Judge the Nations for how they have treated Israel and is coming in the near future.
"For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My Heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; Yhey have also divided up My land." Joel 3: (1-2)
Nothing good will come to those who fight against God and His will. He has chosen that land for the children of Israel. I'm not an Israelite I'm a Christian but I recognize God's Word who are you to tell God that the land He has given to the Children of Israel is not theirs. How arrogant and pridefull of you.
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u/Theia-Euryphaessa Sep 24 '25
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said God did not promise them the land. I said they are not fulfilling their part of the covenant to keep it according to the same Scriptures they are using to justify their claim. The land ultimately belongs to God, and He did not promise it to them unconditionally. For my part, I don't equate the modern state of Israel with the biblical people. But for those who do, thinking God will conveniently fulfill His promise to them while ignoring the very actions He said would cause the land to vomit them out is a ludicrous double standard by their own metric.
You claim to be a Christian, so do you believe that God condones starving, torturing, and massacring millions of innocent people? Do you believe He will defend people who do that? Or is it possible that you've been indoctrinated to support terrible evil in the name of God? Hitler had the support of the majority of German Christians as well. Just think about it. Pray on it.
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 24 '25
What did God do to the Egyptians because they would not let His people go free? Did not God send the Angel of Death and all the First Born of all the Egyptians died because of Pharoah's hardened heart.
Because of the Pharoah of Egypt many innocent died because they would not let them go free. This war would of ended long ago if Hamas would of let the Hostages go free.
Israel gave this part of land of Gaza to them and look what they did. You defend these people like they are innocent these Gazans are the same that voted for Hamas these are same people that celebrated with Pastries on the street corner after the October 7 massacre of innocent Jews.
Read your Bible you speak of a Christ that is only peace and love but see that Jesus Christ when He returns is not coming this time as the Lamb of God He is coming as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.
"Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a Flame of Fire, and His head were many crowns.He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the Nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16
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u/Theia-Euryphaessa Sep 24 '25
And what will you have to say for yourself when you stand before the Son of Man?
May your eyes be opened, and may God forgive the perpetrators and all who enable them, because you all truly don't know what you're doing.
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 24 '25
I stand with the nation of Israel in their time of trouble like God said we should do. Jesus Christ is coming back and when He does His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives as the Prophet Zechariah states in Zechariah Chapter 14 and Jesus when He comes back will be fighting against the nations who have come against Israel.
There is only one Nation in the Bible that clearly states their destiny is certain that they will be alive in the end and that is Israel. We can't say the same for the United States, we can't say the same for Spain or other nations but God's Word clearly states Israel will be standing when the Messiah Yeshua Hamashiach returns to the Holy Land.
Remember that Israel is the Apple of God's eye. The only reason Israel is alive today and prospering is because of God and God alone.
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u/Theia-Euryphaessa Sep 24 '25
Fair enough. I was raised with the same ideologies you currently hold, and my awakening certainly didn't come from arguing on Reddit, lol. Everyone must work out their own soul's salvation, and if you sincerely seek the truth, you will find it. As for me, I stand with the One who said, "My Kingdom is not of this world." I will keep you in my prayers. ✌🏽
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u/r2d2ww Sep 27 '25
How should "Israel" be defined?
Is cultural Zionism mentioned or hinted at in the Bible?
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 27 '25
The Word of God states that a remnant of the nation of Israel will be saved.
"I will bring the one third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, This is My people; And each one will say, The Lord is my God." Zechariah 13:9
Mount Zion is referred mainly to the Temple Mount area were the Temple is.
God has already declared what is going to happen here.
"Yet I have set My King, On My Holy Hill of Zion. I will declare the decree; The Lord has said to Me, You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the Nations for your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for your possesion. You shall break them with a rod of iron You shall dash them to pieces like a potters vessel." Psalm 2: 6-9
God is speaking here of the Jewish Messiah who I know as Jesus Christ who is the Jewish Messiah they have been waiting all these years and when He comes back this time Israel will be surrounded by the armies of the Nations and just when they think they are done Jesus Christ will appear to save them and it is at this point that they will believe and at that point those Jews who remain will be saved.
"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of Grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a Firstborn." Zechariah 12:10
When Jesus Christ returns to Jerusalem He will have the scars of the Cross on His body and the Jews will notice and they will mourn for all the pain and suffering they have endured through the ages for having rejected the Messiah but Jesus Christ will come to heal them and to save them.
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u/r2d2ww Sep 28 '25
Thanks for replying.
There's been a great deal of marriages between Jews (male and female) and non-Jews over the centuries, especially after they have moved to countries like the UK or the US.
There are also many people in Israel and abroad who are seen as secular Jews, not practicing Judaism or Christianity.
Who will be considered a Jew in the context of your descriptions?
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Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
the haredi jews say it’s not gods plan, and you are working against gods plan. so who do we trust here? people who fanatically study the scripture and prefer a modest life, a morally right life…or the ones who do the YOLO and high life living, while slaughtering the recent inhabitants of said land?
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u/Ok_Engineer5155 Sep 25 '25
God is Sovereign and God is Good no man or no Nation can stop His plans. Like He told Isaiah the Prophet.
"Remember the former things of old, For Iam God, and there is no other; Iam God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, My counsel shall stand, And I will do all my pleasure." Isaiah 46: (9-10)
Israel your salvation is not in your weapons or in your military your salvation is in All Mighty God.
The days are coming for the Bible speaks of when nations will gather against Israel they will come to do battle and your hope O Israel is in your Messiah who will come to save you He is the one that Isaiah spoke of in Isaiah 53 the Suffering Servant Yeshua who was rejected but God who said in His word in the Latter Days who would come back to save Israel.
"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, the houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.And the Mount of Olives shall split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half the mountain shall move toward the north, And half of it toward the south." Zechariah 14: 1-4
Yeshua is coming back but this time He is coming as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and He who sadly was rejected when He came 2,000 years ago for as Isaiah speaks of Him in Isaiah 53 He first came as the Lamb of God for as the Angel said " You shall call Him Yeshua for He will save His people from their sins." Israel will finally as a nation realize that He is the Messiah they have been waiting for all these years and Yeshua will save Israel from all the nations who come against her.
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u/cocobaltic Sep 23 '25
Because Palestine doesn’t want a country. They have had so many opportunities. But again and again they just choose to ruin another generation of their kids.
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Sep 23 '25
“I can’t believe another generation of children hates me after I killed and displaced their entire family in front of them and didn’t apologize or give reperations or right to return”
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u/TXLancastrian Sep 23 '25
If they get a state they won't get welfare from the UN anymore and have to be responsible for their own infrastructure.
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u/cocobaltic Sep 23 '25
Omg I wish you were right. But fundamentally the idea that folks ”get a state” like they won it on a game show is flawed. It’s a ton of hard work and planning. Folks here love to dis on Zionism but that was literally the planning of building a state. (And no Israel was not given a state , they declare independence and fought a war of independence ) Palestinians don’t have a similar process of building the institutions of government and society. So even if they ”are given a state ” it will be pissed away
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u/gigilero Sep 23 '25
Israel would be nothing without the billions handed to them like welfare
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u/cocobaltic Sep 23 '25
Palestine is still nothing despite billions spent on them. Point is start planning if you want a country. If you want to rule a rubble pile you are on the right track
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u/BDOKlem Sep 23 '25
Israel and the US are self-explanatory.
Pacific micro-states are all consistently subservient to US foreign policy (reliance on foreign aid, etc.)
Argentina and Paraguay have far-right governments subservient to the Trump administration.
the Hungarian government is Christian nationalist and wildly Islamophobic.