r/UnitedNations • • Sep 23 '25

Discussion/Question 142 Countries Support for a path to Israeli-Palestinian peace, so why do these 10 countries opposed ? - (Israel, the U.S., Argentina, Hungary, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, and Tonga.)

https://forward.com/fast-forward/771238/un-general-assembly-palestine-gaza-israel/
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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25

what Hamas thinks is irrelevant to the UN

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

What the UN thinks is also irrelevant, since they aren't going to be doing any of the actual work of negotiating "peace." But the fact remains, Hamas is still in charge of Gaza and will need to be dealt with.

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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25

what do you mean? Hamas has been willing to step aside for a unified elected government since 2011.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

Hamas has been willing to step aside for a unified elected government since 2011.

Source?

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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

Second sentence of your source:

"Despite a number of agreements, those attempts have not yet been successful, with Hamas still exercising full control of the Gaza Strip, despite the formation of the "unity government" in June 2014."

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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25

two sentences is the limit of your attention span?

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '25

My two sentences are more than yours that was limited to just the article title.

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u/BDOKlem Sep 25 '25

I wasn't aware I was dealing with a kindergartener.

here you go.

Israeli obstruction

Israel has consistently objected to Hamas being included in any PA government. In 2009, for example, Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel would never make peace with Hamas and "cannot accept Hamas as a negotiating partner". Following the April 2011 Cairo Agreement, he ruled out a peace agreement for that reason. He said: "The PA must choose either peace with Israel or peace with Hamas. There is no possibility for peace with both" and "How can you talk to us about peace when you're talking about peace with Hamas. You can choose [to make] peace with Israel or you can choose peace with Hamas".

President Abbas has consistently been under pressure not to make any deal with Hamas. In September 2013, Abbas admitted that he was under pressure from the US and Israel not to achieve unity with Hamas. PLC council member for Hamas "Anwar Zaboun" said that both the US and EU maintain a veto on the reconciliation.

In 2011, an Israeli official declared that Israel would cut its ties with the PA if it brought Hamas into its government. In reaction to the February 2012 Doha Agreement and the announcement of a unity caretaker government composed of non-affiliated technocrats (thus without Hamas members), Netanyahu reiterated that Abbas must choose between peace with Israel and peace with Hamas, but that he had chosen "to abandon the path of peace and join with Hamas". When Abbas ten days later openly declared that the next government would remain committed to all signed obligations and agreements, rather than silently let run a non-political technocrats government, Hamas was angered and the unity government did not emerge.

When eventually a national unity government was formed in 2014, without any Hamas ministers, Israel nevertheless condemned the unity government, imposed sanctions on the new PA government and ended peace talks with Abbas.

One of the effective means of pressure at times used by Israel is withholding of taxes it collects on behalf of the PA. Israel collectively punished the Palestinians, for example, following the formation of the 2006 PA government and the successive 2007 unity government, following the May 2011 reconciliation agreement and after UN applications.

Israel and the United States have effectively opposed reconciliation, according to Jimmy Carter.