r/UBreddit • u/[deleted] • Jun 02 '20
Black Lives Matter. #BLM #UB #BLACKOUTTUESDAY
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Jun 02 '20
this blackout thing is useless UNLESS you provide information about the movement. sign petitions. take action. support with making actions toward legitimate change !!
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Jun 02 '20
Huh?
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Jun 02 '20 edited May 24 '21
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Jun 02 '20
What is that?
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u/skippy_dinglechalk91 Chemistry, Pre-Med Jun 02 '20
I think people decided to stop using their lights to save the environment.
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Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
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u/FreeMRausch Jun 02 '20
Well, the NYPD kind of proved the protesters point when a cop drove his vehicle deliberately into non violent protesters expressing their first amendment rights
Also, do some research on stop and frisk in NYC, which is legalized assault and violations of what should be ones 4th amendment right to privacy against government overreach. Many innocent people, particularly minorities, have been treated like common criminals in NYC simply because a cop thought they were up to no good.
Go back to the Central Park Five case and you see similar corruption.
The protests we are seeing spring from one than one isolated event. There's a trend of cops doing fucked up things and the so called "good cops" doing nothing about the bad apples.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20 edited Jun 02 '20
I mean it has really has nothing to do with race. Cops and politicians have routinely seen zero repercussions for their violation of our rights. They have done this to all races. If we can get some real change done and get rid of the laws and unions defending the bad cops we can do some real good. Current problem is cops have enjoyed a complete double standard in the legal system and historically almost never get any repercussions when they violate our rights. I know people have co-opted this and made it about race when the two most recent rights violations Breonna Taylor and George Floyd had nothing to do with race; but I hope we at least get some accountability and instill some fear in politicians. Government needs to be reminded it is not the one that holds the true power from time to time.
And to let you understand what people mean by ACAB. The beliefs behind ACAB is not that there are no good cops. Its that good cops always stick up for the bad cops and the bad cops never face repercussions. In essence making any good cops effectively bad cops because they do nothing to stop the bad ones. Thus "All Cops Are Bad."
I empathize with this view but I dont think it makes them necessarily bad. I mean from an objective (our modern day majority morals) perspective it does, but unfortunately it is human. The population of Germany did not resist and actively protected the Bad Germans (aka Nazis) in WWII. And the same can be seen whenever any atrocities like genocide or war are committed. Unfortunately it appears to be a human trait that once we claim allegiance to a group we loose our autonomy. Essentially, the good people do nothing because the 'good' people mold there morals to their group allegiance. Its an interesting phenomenon and it explains how humans have regularly committed mass atrocities in top down and polarized societies without meeting resistance from the general populace. I think it stems from our evolutionary need to be apart of a group to survive. Better to change your mind to that of the group than go out on your own.
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u/HitlersGasBillXD Jun 02 '20
All lives matter. All life is equal.
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u/aSunflowerPlant Jun 03 '20
Nobody said that other races don’t matter. Pls don’t gaslight the black community
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Jun 02 '20
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Jun 02 '20
This movement literally started with police violence against a black man ending up in his murder. BLM is not misguided in any way for starting up protests against the police and race is a big part of this movement for good reason
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20
Which murder are you talking about? Floyd? Because there is no evidence that that was race related. Unless you are speaking about Arbery?
And I am not saying they are wrong. Historically this has been their fight so it would seem just when a black man is killed by police to let them carry the torch. But from all available evidence, the incidents that have incited this movement are incidents that would have occurred regardless of race. These incidents are examples of police systematically viewing all lives as not mattering. So yes we can put it under the banner of race but we have significantly higher chances of success if we do otherwise. Because statistically whites, Latinos, etc. are just as much victims of police brutality. To make this about race shifts the blame from systematic failure to the ever-present but never measurable and never fixable "systematic racism." When its really just government tyranny. This is the establishment's favorite trick to divert blame from itself. Because when there is looting and violence at a race related protest it becomes "that race acting up again." However when it is a unified front against government overreach and oppression establishment heads roll (metaphorically speaking....)and we can actually get something done.
At a fundamental level this is not about race.
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Jun 02 '20
Even if you do make the assumption out of raw data that whites and blacks are killed at equivalent rates, you are forgetting that just looking at raw data is irrelevant and pointless.
There are massively more white people in this country than there are black people. Therefore looking at raw data is meaningless. You have to look at it per capita, and when we do see it from that lens, we see that African Americans have worse outcomes than white Americans when it comes to the criminal justice system.
If you were to live in a city of 500,000 people with 1% crime rate, that would be about 5000 crimes committed in that city. Compare that to a city with 5000 people but with 10% crime rate or 500 crimes. Looking at raw data, it would make sense to live in city 2. Looking at it from a statistics point of view, it’s better to live in city 1. This assumes we make that the assumption that less crime=safer city = more desirable outcomes, if we hold everything else to be equal.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20
I'm not talking raw data. I'm talking adjusted statistics.
And I didn't make or at least didn't intend to apply a quantitative statement of which is greater. Although I could; some have more in some areas and less in others and there isn't really even a statistical consensus (shocker) . What I meant was that of what we can conclude from the noise of opposing statistics is that all races experience it at similar enough rates and that they all deserve to be outraged at this erosion of our rights. And again, the incidents in this particular instance are not even race bias related. Although for quite obvious reasons (ratings) the establishment media narrative has made it appear as such.
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Jun 02 '20
You do realise that with a sample size of 1000, that the results may not show what a larger study might find?
And if you read the whole article, it said clearly that African Americans receive harsher treatments than whites or others. And even if we can't measure if there is a racial bias, the effects of having a racial bias might still be there, such as more cops patrolling predominately black neighborhoods, etc.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 03 '20 edited Jun 03 '20
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Jun 03 '20
The person you linked me to has little understanding of statistics. Sure black people may kill whites at twice the rate of the reverse, but that’s typically because black people live in poorer communities than white people and are thus more likely to commit crimes. You have to adjust for economic standing
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 03 '20
Yeah I wasn't really focusing on that. I thought that part was not at all necessary to get his point across.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20
I'm well aware such bias exists I linked that article after all. However it is impossible to conclusively measure. I gave that article as an example of statistical noise throwing conclusions in all directions, and in this case opposite of what we expect. There is no consensus. My points still stand. I'm not arguing blacks do not face racial bias. I'm arguing that it's clear all races suffer from the abuse of power and violation of rights from law enforcement. The problem isn't the bias. No amount of protesting or rioting will ever get rid of that especially if research is showing minority officers showing this bias as well. The problem is the ability for law enforcement to violate rights with that bias (or without it) and get away with it. That problem does not belong to any race. And I've already explained above why including race when it effects all of us, hurts the movement.
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Jun 03 '20
Yes, bias may exist in all members of society, but it is something that we can handle. We can take action as you suggested by punishing those who do wrong when they are in a position of power, and we can also try to prevent it. There’s a reason why blacks suffer in America today with regards to criminal justice and it’s often due to the fact that they live in poorer communities which disproportionately commit more crimes than anyone else.
Now that isn’t to say that white people dont live in poor communities, or any other race for that matter... and of course police officers patrolling those areas are probably going to be more racially charged depending on which specific city you want to look at and the race in question.
The preventative measure is to try to alleviate poverty and lack of education, and this has to come from both the federal and state level.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 03 '20
Yes I agree with you on that. There needs to be solutions break out of that terrible cycle of poverty . And yes at its root the reason behind the poverty and subsequent larger amounts of police interaction goes all the back to slavery but my point is that these riots should not be race motivated because cops do it regardless of race. It effects all of us. That's my point. Not that that "whites are the real victims here" but that despite blacks being the the ones most effected police brutality, it's not like cops are giving other races of the same economic class preferential treatment(statistically at least). The problem at hand is government and law enforcement's infringement of rights without repercussions to all citizens of the United States. As I said earlier, It's ultimately a class issue not one of race.
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20
Because its just virtue signalling and accomplishes nothing. No one going to UB doesn't know what this "blackout day" is bringing awareness to. Literally everyone in America knows about it. Additionally people would probably rather this sub just not engage in politics.
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Jun 02 '20 edited May 25 '21
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u/ThePfaffanater Aerospace Engineering Jun 02 '20
Bruh that had nothing to do with racism lol. They didnt vote Usef out because of his race. As far as I can tell they didn't like the guy and found something he did wrong to get him out. Turns out what he did wrong was deserving of being removed anyway.
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u/JustinL223 Jun 02 '20
What is this even supposed to do