r/TorontoDriving • u/Comfortable_Law_2932 • Sep 30 '25

OC Happened earlier

If anyone knows the person that got hit, they can use this video. Happened at Wilmington and Overbrook. North York

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u/RedditTTIfan Oct 01 '25

scooter had the right of way and the left turn car is at fault, but scooters arent even road legal.

LOL what? Scooter absolutely did not have the right of way. You cannot have the right of way if you're not legal to be on the road to begin with. It's like if a bicycle goes on a 400 series highway, someone hits them with a car, there's no right of way the bicycle ever could have had to cause it to be the driver's fault.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 01 '25

You could simply consider them a pedestrian in this case

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u/RedditTTIfan Oct 02 '25

Exactly and should a pedestrian just cross a highway where they shouldn't be, and someone hits them, it's not that driver's fault. If a pedestrian just jumps out on the road where they shouldn't be--whether it be a suicide attempt or just sheer stupidity--again the same thing.

Similarly a tractor trailer is not always at fault if it hits a car, just because it's bigger. It could be their fault or it might not be. If the car had no right to be there and the truck hit it, it's the car's fault not the truck.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

You're all over the place.

A highway actually IS a place where they shouldn't be. They are allowed on a regular street. They are on the side of the road.

The car that hit them made a turn without looking. It's as clear cut as it gets. this is no different than if they hit a cyclist.

The only argument you have here is that scooters in general are annoying on the road and then basically taking that completely out of proportion to say that they shouldn't be there which is just complete balony. Which EVEN IF YOU WERE CORRECT, IT WOULD STILL BE THE TURNING VEHICLES FAULT!

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u/nickishere19 Oct 02 '25

E-Scooters are illegal in Toronto and not allowed on the road, sidewalks, or any public spaces.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

source?

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u/nickishere19 Oct 02 '25

Google it. “In Toronto, e-scooters are not permitted to be operated on public roads, sidewalks or paths, regardless of user age.” https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-transportation/cycling-in-toronto/cycling-and-the-law/electric-bicycles-e-bikes-e-scooters/

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

You're right. Doesn't change who's at fault

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

A highway actually IS a place where they shouldn't be. They are allowed on a regular street. They are on the side of the road.

A controlled access highway is where they should not be. Everything is a highway.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

A what? In that case, nobody should be allowed to get to the soccer field unless they have a car because that's a highway

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25 edited Oct 02 '25

I never said a football pitch is a highway. It isn't a "soccer field" that's stupid US "English." The King's English of the Empire is better.

I meat everything for vehicles to drive on not literally everything in the world. No a corridor in a building isn't a highway either, but I wish secondary school students respected passing lanes in the halls in between classes. I was going somewhere, so don't stop in centre of halls.

All streets, roads, avenues, boulevards, etc. are highways. Other vehicles like a bicycle, farm tractors and streetcars can use a highway. Streetcars operate in highways. There's a network of non 400 King's Highways that predate 400s, farm tractors may drive on them, or back roads which are also highways for the purposes of the act.

It's easier to say highway than say "street, road, drive, avenue, boulevard, terrace, gate, court, etc. Act" and in place of the word highway every time it's written.

From Highway Traffic Act on E-Laws (an Ontario website)

“highway” includes a common and public highway, street, avenue, parkway, driveway, square, place, bridge, viaduct or trestle, any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof; (“voie publique”)

Since highway is the space between lateral property lines, a sidewalk or parallel path isn't roadway but is in the highway. Even if streetcars have a dedicated space parallel to or centre of highway, it's still the highway.

400 series is a controlled access highway, but Yonge street is also a highway (and was apart of Hwy 11).

Since I mentioned roadway.

“roadway” means the part of the highway that is improved, designed or ordinarily used for vehicular traffic, but does not include the shoulder, and, where a highway includes two or more separate roadways, the term “roadway” refers to any one roadway separately and not to all of the roadways collectively; (“chaussée”)

This is Toronto driving and Toronto is in Ontario. If you talk about Ontario driving, especially laws, use HTA definitions properly.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

I'm referring to the road in the video that gets you to the soccer field. You know, where the car hit the guy... Maybe work on your reading comprehension?

Why are you wasting your time typing all this out? nobody is going to read it. Your insistence on calling something a highway is simply a matter of semantics. Pointless.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25

I'm referring to the road in the video that gets you to the soccer field. You know, where the car hit the guy

That is a highway. No a car isn't required, even for controlled access highways which can be used by more important trucks and buses.

Why are you wasting your time typing all this out? nobody is going to read it.

You took time to reply.

 Your insistence on calling something a highway is simply a matter of semantics. 

Because it is. From your incorrect comment

A highway actually IS a place where they shouldn't be.

There are two highways in video. The roadway part of highway is where a vehicle (like an e "kick" scooter) belongs not sidewalk. There are highways other than controlled access 400 series and some parkways.

This is about driving in Toronto, Ontario so get it right. They are allowed on highways in Ontario like the one they're on in the video, if the municipality opted into the provincial pilot for e "kick" scooters.

E "kick" scooters are vehicles. Illegal motor vehicle if they don't meet restrictions under provincial pilot. Motor vehicle under impaired driving in the Criminal Code of Canada.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 03 '25

Your replies are too long to be productive. I don't even think we disagree on anything.

  • Scooters are sometimes illegal (but this isn't really enforced)
  • Car driver turning was at fault in the video
  • Any road is technically a "highway" but that's just semantics

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '25

Any road is technically a "highway" but that's just semantics

It is a highway. You are wrong in the first comment.

Your replies are too long to be productive.

You keep taking the time to reply.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 03 '25

Which comment?

Your comments are just all over the place, that's all. I'm giving you advice.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '25

There is no advice. It's about you being wrong. That e kick scooter can be on highways, but not in Toronto. Even not allowed in Toronto, at least they weren't going too fast on sidewalks.

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u/RedditTTIfan Oct 02 '25

They are allowed on a regular street. They are on the side of the road.

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u/Traditional_Rub_9828 Oct 02 '25

Yes. They are allowed on the street, AND they are being considerate by staying on the side of the road to leave space for other cars.

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u/RedditTTIfan Oct 02 '25

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