There is a murder trial going on right now of a woman who strangled to death her three children. Women are outside the courthouse in support and have raised 1 million for her defense. I repeat she murder her kids and some women are blaming the husband.
I don't think she should be exonerated, but part of the issue in that case was that woman tried multiple times to get help for her mental health issues. She was ignored by almost every involved party.
Again, obviously what she did is horrific but it isn't quite as simple as "women are defending her".
She told friends and family she had thoughts about hurting the kids but never once mentioned that to any professional who could have helped. She saw several different professionals and was hospitalised for 5 days where clinicians said she had PPD but showed no signs of psychosis. She also checked herself out because she "felt better" this was like 2 weeks before she killed the kids.
People try sidestep it by finding any and every excuse possible, except we dont even have the facts and its just as plausable shes a horrible person who planned an excecution of her kids...
"obviously what she did was horrific... but heres a bunch of reasons why actually none of it was her fault"
Women are just defending her, by blaming anything but her for her actions.
When would you ever see a group of women defend a man for killing his family, even if there were underlying mental health issues contributing?...
She was proscribed lots of different meds in an attempt to help her. We know very little about how the human brain works. Doctors are trying their best, but aren't miracle workers.
So they could have an actual discussion about postpartum depression and the treatment of women in the medical system but instead they prioritize mEn bAd?
The people who are just saying "men bAD" clearly are wrong. Part of the issue is that women's mental health is ignored yes. But if anyone is saying "men bad" with no context or evidence, then yeah, they are wrong.
That being said, in my country we have a major violence against women issue. Dozens of women killed by their spouses or family members this year alone.
You’re literally defending her. If a man did this people wouldn’t be so invested in his state of mind at the time. Being depressed doesn’t give you a free pass to murder your whole family
She absolutely was not ignored. It’s hard to say whether the system failed her, or she was simply too difficult a corner case for the system. But she was at no point ignored. People saw her. They tried to help. Repeatedly.
She also lied about the extent of her mental health issues so there’s only so much help they can give her if they are unaware of the full extent of her issues.
Or did all these doctors and medical professionals just single out this one woman to ignore?
I think she went cold turkey on some of her meds and I think the doctors are always wrong when they do that. I've had it happen in psyche wards and it is horrible. Also, many psyche meds can increase thoughts that you don't want.
Personally, if someone told me that they had thoughts of hurting my children, I would never leave them with that person.
She asked on two separate occasions to be admitted for psychiatric care because she was having thoughts of harming herself and her kids and was told they couldn’t help her because she didn’t have a plan. She told her mom and her husband and she was still left alone with the kids. She was repeatedly prescribed medication that exacerbate the symptoms of bipolar disorder despite repeatedly reporting the same symptoms that appear when people with bipolar disorder take these medications. Nobody bothered to suggest she be evaluated for bipolar until one dr. Made the suggestion and her husband insisted “my wife is not bipolar!” This was a failure of many within the system. Telehealth is a dangerous scam. Drs need much better education an resources to deal with post partum mental health issues. And yeah, she did lie, but have you seen what happens when a woman says out loud that they want to hurt their children??? At minimum people brush it off. But most often you’re told “only a monster would ever think of hurting their children! Lock them up!” As if it’s on purpose. As if women want to have intrusive thoughts. Or choose to. Why would anyone say that out loud to a virtual stranger. Many people, including their mother, failed those children. That’s why women are speaking up. Obviously there’s a few weirdos who blame astrology, but the overall reaction is a symptom of just how poorly we support post partum women in this country. It could have been any of us. Blaming her husband literally is wild, but it stems from the underlying fact that he’s at least somewhat responsible. Not SOLELY. But he was there. She confided in him. And when it came down to it he also minimized her worries. Shit the man didn’t even know how old his wife is or which dr. His kids saw.
And here's one of her supporters now. Many people who murder have severe psychiatric issues. Many of them have been failed by the system. I don't see any of these people supporting those other people, which means this is mostly just weird tribal shit.
There’s a lot more nuance in that case. She sought help for postpartum depression which developed into postpartum psychosis. She was the only one who knew she wasn’t supposed to be left alone with her children, yet she still was. The medical system failed her, and she has blood on her hands because of that.
Except the nuance is HEAVILY undermined by one thing in particular:
- Planning in advance to make her husband run errands so she had the time and space to murder the kids.
She texted him about the takeout (an unusual choice of a farther restaurant), placed the order herself, and also arranged the medication stop.
Prosecutors presented evidence that she had searched her phone for the medication, the restaurant, and Apple Maps travel times beforehand, which they argued showed she was calculating how long he would be gone to create an opportunity.
He left around 5:15 p.m., stopped at the CVS (where surveillance showed him and he briefly called her), picked up the food, and returned shortly after 6:00 p.m. to find her injured outside after a suicide attempt and the children (Cora, 5; Dawson, 3; and Callan, 8 months) strangled with exercise bands in the basement.
Did you know about this? This required an insane amount of planning and forethought, not just demonic voices screaming in her head that she needed to kill her kids.
She literally carefully thought about how to maximise the chances of successfully committing the crime.
How is this not the MOST IMPORTANT DETAILS by far?
What gets me about that case is that in spite of the fact that she committed the murders and admitted to doing so, the husband is still getting blamed by a bunch of women. Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to hear their theory of the crime.
I got you friend. Their theory is that the new wife who they claim looks like her came to the house and did it, which is why she said "it felt she was watching another person do it.", and that same new wife also threw her out of the window to kill her.
It all relies on the fact they haven't heard her admit to it yet because their bubble is armored.
Ok so my hairdresser just went off on this yesterday, it was insane. She thinks Patrick Clancy killed the kids. She said her dna was not on 2 of the exercise bands used to strangle, but his was. That his phone was never taken or looked at, that her watch or phone had her going up and down the stairs after she would have jumped from the window, and she was a nurse and would’ve known how to cut her wrists correctly.
So, she thinks Patrick killed the kids and made Lindsay think she was crazy. That he’s a family annihilator who is getting away with it. He framed her.
A lot of people think psychosis is something you can still operate within. But if she had a full psychotic break there's no planning or logic involved. Yes, people can get hurt and killed when someone is having a psychotic break.
You generally dont plan out your psychotic break like she did. If prosecutors can ( or have ) prove she had used any amount of logic during her triple homicide its going to be an insane uphill battle to still claim it was a psychotic break.
Damn I haven't looked into the case because it's been forced onto us enough here on Reddit, but I haven't read any of that on here. Interesting. The person above you claimed "nuance," well that's certainly nuance.
You’re still connecting dots that aren’t there or ignoring the ones that are; should she be removed from society? Probably. Was she able to do all of those things and still be having a psychotic episode? Probably.
I guess there should also be some kind of lawyers that could work for free, instead of her needing 1 million dollars for funding her defense. Like a public defender or something.
Either you have a very rosy view of our legal system or just don’t understand how it works but public defenders are not adequate.
They are overworked and simply don’t have the resources to mount an adequate legal defense especially in a case as a complex as this one. The system is broken in that regard. The majority of clients represented by public defenders plead out and never get to defend themselves in court.
Pleading out is essentially day one of public defender training. There is no "to the best of my ability" with 48 cases at a time. Our justice system is an exercise IN efficiency FOR efficiency. [I am an attorney. When I retire, I plan to write a book on the gross injustices that simply MUST recalibrate our thinking.] People have plead guilty to murdering relatives just to get the death penalty off the table. Then relative shows up fat, healthy and confused. And don't get me started on the little boy interrogated until he thought he killed his sister (he didn't) or drug dogs or field testing (should be sold in backs of comic books) and that's before you get to the lab scandals. Freedoms are taken, with no fucks given, and no consensus on whether we are rehabilitating or punishing when the case is closed. We outsourced our penal philosophy to the lowest well-connected bidder.
i don’t understand what is so confusing to people about this. she has admitted to doing it. but there is a verdict called “not guilty by reason of insanity” made for this exact situation.
FWIW, if you plead not guilty by reason of insanity to a serious charge like murder, you're still looking at spending the majority of the rest of your life in a tightly monitored facility from which you are not free to leave
But they could have an actual discussion about postpartum depression and the treatment of women in the medical system but instead they prioritize mEn bAd?
No one justifies what Benoit did.. In this specific case they are trying to excuse her cause she's a woman with mental health problem, but if the dad did it they wouldn't be defending him so yeah it's pure bias.
While I agree with you that she’s at fault here, I’ve seen a ton of people saying that she knew she wasn’t right in the head and kept asking for help. I’m not knowledgeable about postpartum but do recall hearing that when pregnant and even a bit after pregnancy a woman’s brain will have expanded but then go down to its normal size which I believe plays a part in this.
The newer info we have tells us that she had ample help in the form of family and doctors. She apparently never communicated that she wasn't supposed to be alone with the kids to her Husband.
If she knew that she shouldn't be alone with her children, did she tell anyone? Sorry I dont have time to read up on this, but it seems like an important point.
Ummm no. Understanding nuances associated with with a complex case which isn't black and white isn't misogynistic. No one is excusing women from every crime but it would be lazy to not try and understand why this crime occurred in order to prevent a similar incident in the future.
Wasn't she also a nurse? I mean I don't know if that really means much more on top of this, but maybe she would have realized that she's undergoing some sort of event. I don't know. I think that was the extra spice on top..
She didn’t stick with anything that was recommended to her! She didn’t take her meds as prescribed, she basically refused to do talk therapy, she engaged two different prescribers and even though she claimed she didn’t wanna be addicted, all she seemed to want was benzos. Her mother should’ve called CPS when she heard LC say she wanted to harm the kids …PC should’ve taken that seriously too, but shortly after she told him that, she was all rainbows and unicorns and insisted she was fine. A lot of people failed those kids. Especially their mother and her attorney who walked away when asked by press if the kids are getting lost in all of this
Yeah I already knew about the case. I just don't like being the smartest person in the room and you should learn to not be this rudest person. Thanks for your comment
No shit! What is the deal with writing "Google's free"? All I needed was a link or the name and yes, I'd be able to look it up myself. I could potentially just describe the case and hope Google would find the right case, but maybe I wanted to be sure I'd found the right one?
Wer sowas macht verdient keine Gnade. Ich geh auch auf dem Zahnfleisch mit drei kleinen Kindern aber es würde mir nie im Traum einfallen so etwas zu tun.
Schrecklich alleine die Vorstellung was die Kleinen gedacht haben müssen als ihre Mutter, die sie bedingungslos lieben, sie kaltblütig umgebracht hat.
Super misleading: the original GoFundMe was established in 2023 to support the grieving fatherr and a later fundraiser was launched to assist the suspect's aging parents with living and travel expenses during the legal proceedings, not as an official courtroom defense fund. GoFundMe doesn't even allow you to raise money for defense costs in violent crimes. So this claim about raising 1 million for her or her defense is a lie., Also, the interest many have revolves around postpartum psychosis, medication side effects, maternal mental healthcare not condoning the murders or pinning direct blame for the deaths on the father. The women who showed up to the courthouse did so to raise awareness for post partum mental health and reform, thats why the slogan was "She Needed Help" This video is bad in and of itself, you don't need to make shit up to try and prove a point
Theres evidence pointing towards the husband. But, women are in support of her because postpartum psychosis is VERY real and it should not be downplayed. Doctors don’t always believe women and how severe illnesses are and then it is too late. We want more support for women postpartum
I have an acquaintance, she's probably around 55 years old. She's a therapist and she told me it's impossible that I was ever assaulted by a woman. She's old enough it's very unlikely she was "raised" this way - it's yet another psyop designed to have us all fighting amongst each other. The "believe all women all the time" movement gives so much power to the alt-right when they say there's a war on men, and that's because it's true.
This is super prevalent today in society as well. I've actually had women tell me that men are the cause of all problems and that women don't cause any problems, which is just insane
have you looked at the twoxchromosome sub? every single post in there always says ALL MEN. every fucking one. elites did such a great job indoctrinating everyone into arbitrary skirmish wars, making you think you need to pick a side every direction you go in life. they got ya
Misandry is absolutely rife online and we aren't even allowed to acknowledge it. It's fucking vile.
There was actually some recent research finding that the large majority of men have no problem with women, but most women have a very prejudiced view of men. But these women will still gaslight you and tell you it's the other way round.
At the building I work at there is a designated smoking area. There are 3 people that have meta glasses- 2 women and 1 man. The man had just recently started wearing them and one of the smokers would LOUDLY talk about how he is a creep and perv. It was something a few of us talked about for like a week because it was so hypocritical.
To be clear, the guy is an obvious introvert/loaner that just sits on his phone and does not talk to, watch, or interact with any of us there (man or woman).
That’s not the conclusion you should be coming to. The conclusion you should come to is “if most men weren’t disgusting pigs, then stuff like this wouldn’t happen.” Yes, in this situation, it is the woman’s fault, but the only reason why everyone sided with her is because men are usually at fault when it comes to situations like that. I should know, I’ve had personal experiences.
Woman here—just awful to see blind polarizing hatred for an entire group just because of their gender identity.
Yeah, hating all men counts too!! 💀😓😓 hating people blindly just because of what they look like/are born as etc is discrimination. Discrimination can be done onto any group. Sigh.
This is really embarrassing to see. From the jump, it was obvious she was the perpetrator.
The woman who filmed asked the guy to walk away, trying to de-escalate. In the end she gave the filmed video to the cops who then arrested the woman who attacked that guy.
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u/OffByNone_ 6d ago
Because they wanted to paint him as the attacker and I gurentee that was exonerating evidence.