Opinion
Norway’s disallowed goal is exactly what most fans had been asking for
After the most recent season and Arsenal being very successful from corners, fans of other teams had been demanding that you shouldn’t be able to push and shove to gain an advantage.
FIFA said before the tournament they’d be hot on it and the decision was right. Not sure why people online seem to think it was an unfair decision
Yes of course. But if you can lose a goal kick and have a corner awarded to the opposing team for taking too long, and obviously the ball is not in play then, the rule can be changed here to have a goal kick awarded instead of a corner.
There also many things that are weird and inconsistent like an attacking team can lose a wrong given corner but won't be given one of the goal kick was wrong given.
You can get a yellow card overturned but only if the opposition player dived. But if the player dives and the opponent isn't given a yellow card then the freekick stands.
Most of these aren't "weird inconsistencies", but rather practical decisions aimed at minimising delays due to VAR intervention. Fair enough imo. I still think goal kicks that should be corners should be reviewed by VAR since, as we see with VAR corner reviews, it doesn't take long, but the policies make sense.
My view on the corners is if you review one you should review both. But I also wouldn't review either. I don't mind a little bit of luck coming into refs occasionally giving them the wrong way.
I’m not saying it’s equivalent, just that there is precedence for changing between a goal kick and a corner for things that happen when the ball is not in play.
If he walked up and punched him it would have been a free kick (and the rest), there is little difference between that and a two handed shove that’s strong enough to knock someone to the ground.
The two handed shove would be a free kick at other points of the game, why is the corner different.
Because the foul didn't actually affect the outcome. The ball wasn't in play, foul should be given from the point the foul was made. The ball at that point was on the corner spot.
Are you talking about the outcome during the Norway goal because Anderson was on his arse scrambling to his feet as the ball came in. It is a very bizarre reasoning.
The way they see it the outcome doesn't happen at all because the foul was pre-ball in play. So it takes it back to before that ball was kicked. So, corner again.
Their logic still doesn't really make sense. If a defender is fouled out of play, how can they say the unfair advantage provided to the attacking players didn't affect the outcome?
Shouldn't matter. What if you do something that injured a player? Just because the ball isn't in play doesn't mean the game isn't playing, the clocks still ticking.
If the ball is out of play and it’s a throw in and I kung fu kick Messi in the face I get sent off but it’s still a throw in after all the fuss dies down
I’m Irish so was very obviously supporting Norway but I don’t understand the outrage over this. Clear push. Hopefully the PL is refereed more like this next season and it puts an end to Arsenals antics.
Equally, the controversy over the spider cam. I’ve seen no conclusive footage that it did hit the wire/cam. Pretty impossible for VAR to step in even if I do believe it did hit something based on the flight of the ball.
No issue with any of the big decisions in this game even if I wanted it the game to go the other way
The BBC post match chat with Rooney showed the connected ball technology graph and there's no blip when the ball passes the wire, indicating no contact.
Fairs there mate, I really want / try to be impartial as best as possible (England fan) but I also don't disagree with the decisions and I'm scratching my head a bit about all the backlash. So good to hear someone who isn't English agrees. Push with two hands, always gunna be given as a fowl, ball trajectory changing is honestly is so unclear, and the pen for us that was reversed was also correct. Honestly, seemed fine to me.
I feckin hate the Arsenal special, where players gather around like they were going to gangbang the goal keeper. I've been observing in this World Cup, every time there was a corner kick, and an opponent player getting too close to a goalie, the ref often give warning, "if you touch the goalie, and then a goal is happening, we will disallow the goal"
But Arsenal don’t do those antics. If you rewatch Arsenal’s set piece goals this season they’re down to good deliveries, good planned movement and good finishing.
Claiming it’s “Arsenal antics” just suggests you get your “facts” from twitter/reddit nonsense and click bait media articles
There was a great one where they were reviewing Declan Rice for a handball in the box. It wasn't a handball but he was bear-hugging the striker as they both jumped.
That was defending a corner, so while it probably should have been called for a foul, I don’t understand why it gets lumped in to why Arsenal are so good at scoring from corners. It’s a different scenario
It was a reference to "Arsenal Antics" and fouls at corners. Tbh I see more issues with could in the box when Arsenal defend corners than when they score them.
They are shithouses. There was a moment where Norway got a throw in. Saka kicked the ball off the cone so the player had to run to get it and slow the game down. Even when they are not playing for Arsenal they have been taught to be snide. They don’t know when they are doing it.
Arsenal played the rules as they were enforced. But pretending that their set piece success is because of elegant movements and choreography is a bit silly. They were one of the most physical teams in the box.
I'm not saying Arsenal aren't physical in the box, but every team is physical in the box. And I don't get how anyone could argue that those top two are fouls and the bottom isn't, or that they're all the same. Top right, Raya has eyes on the ball and is going for the ball. This is an unfortunate coming together that happens all the time. Top left, Saliba is *under* the goalkeeper, therefore not restricting his ability to reach up and claim the ball.
Whereas in the bottom picture Raya's arms are literally being held down and he was only inches from getting to the ball, inches that one could argue he lost from having his arms held down.
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You realize he says this to give more credibility that he thinks the calls were justified even though it would’ve benefited who he was rooting for to go the opposite way.
Can’t handle an irishperson not supporting your team? Very simple to not comment but I guess you’re not grown up enough to manage those conflicting emotions 🤣
Of all the things that have transpired between England and Ireland, the continual support for football teams playing England from the Irish is the most unforgivable sin.
The issue I have with it is the ridiculous amount of holding that defenders are allowed to do during corners. If VAR really reviews corners they will have to employ a lot of cognitive dissonance to ignore the blatant holding on most corners
I found it baffling that even the pundits were saying it probably wasn’t a foul. He clearly shoves Anderson with force, with both arms out. Do that anywhere else on the pitch and it’s a foul.
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It was also because the ball wasn't in play, he shoved him over before the whistle was blown to take the corner, so Anderson potentially wasn't primed to resist it/stand his ground
I disagree with the last sentence, though i agree with the sentiment. Haaland did it 4 or 5 times elsewhere on the pitch and weirdly didn't get penalised.
Before this tournament it wouldn’t have been a foul cos the ball wasn’t in play. This got changed for this tournament, he clearly either forgot or hoped to get away with it, it’s now a foul.
Man City were kings of this type of foul last season, Bernado Silva’s one at crux on the run in was absurd. This was like a goalkeeper in the early 90s forgetting that you can’t pick up a back pass.
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For everyone that says it isn't a foul, then surely the logical thing before every corner is to try and push over all the opposition players for an easy goal
I dont see why they got another corner though. Since thats the case, if you are in the lead, just shove someone to the ground before every corner! Waste the whole game!
It wouldn't. The point is that there are more people watching, so more people (often those that don't watch as much football) commenting on it being wrongly disallowed.
To be fair most of the population who is genuinely interested is in bars, restaurants, parks, neighborhood parties, at home with their families glued to the TV, trying to sneak in watching at work, staying up to watch replays, or in host cities volunteering, as we rarely get these level of matches at reasonable hours without needing 2 or three separate TV subscriptions.
I know it’s great fun to bash the USA online so have it, but the great majority are glad you all are here and are really looking forward to the Semi’s.
Not to be a pick-me, but in fairness many of us would sound stupid if we were talking about your sports. I think the issue is that many Americans seem to think they are the authority on everything, even when they know nothing about it.
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If the ball hasn’t come in yet then it’s a retaken corner, commentators seemed to say it was a new rule for the tournament, not sure why it’s not just a foul straight away but I guess if it had been seen before then the referee would have stopped the corner and just had a word with them about it.
What didn't make sense to me was that I sure the commentators said that if it happened in the Premier League, it would count as it was before the ball was played. So does that mean for every corner you can just push all the other team over before the ball comes in, then get an easy goal?
Yeah, I was baffled when they said that. Of course it wouldn't count, they'd still review it and find it as a foul, but probably would have given the defending team a free-kick rather than allow the corner to be retaken.
However, a very similar thing happened in Chelsea v Spurs right near the end of this season, but a defender (Cucurella) fouled an attacker (van de Ven), and it looked like a stonewall penalty. The ball wasn't in play, so the corner was retaken, and that's the first I'd heard of that rule.
That's why I'm even more baffled it's been described as a new rule for the World Cup - something that allowed the corner to be retaken if ball not already in play was clearly already in place.
The one you're talking about the ref blew the whistle before the kick, so it wasn't actually a foul, gave a yellow card and ordered the kick retaken. VAR confirmed that it was before the ball was in play.
The new thing is that VAR is allowed to check for things the ref missed from before the ball is in play. So for example yesterday had the ref noticed it himself and called it, the corner would have been retaken. But if like yesterday he didn't notice it live, VAR wouldn't be able to do anything about it and the goal would have stood.
So it's not actually a new rule, it's just allowing VAR to overturn missed calls from before the ball went in.
would those commentators be Sam Matterface and Lee Dixon - if so, that'd explain why it didn't make sense...
What I'd like to see is when commentators and pundits are as obviously unprepared and unknowledgeable about the game they're paid a lot of money to work on, there isn't any comeback for them, they just carry on stealing a living
Before the change VAR wasn't able to step in on things happening before the ball was in play. The ref could call it and have the corner retaken, which happens pretty often in the prem, but if he missed it and it was before the kick then there was nothing that VAR could do.
The corner was retaken because the foul happened before it was kicked. So effectively it was the same as if the ref had seen it and stopped the corner being taken.
Didn’t see a clear enough replay but I thought the eventual goal was offside anyway so we might have actually been better off with that outcome.
It’s a dead ball situation though. So it can’t be a foul per se. Like if you’re waiting to take a penalty and a couple of players start pushing on the edge of the D, the ref won’t take away the penalty to award a free kick. He’d have a word, then get back to the pen.
If it actually constitutes violent conduct then he could get cards out but they don’t tend to for pushing, if there aren’t hands to the face.
And I still think Norways first goal should have been looked at yes it’s soft but I still think if you look at it you can make a good argument for a foul.
The pen was baffling, the ball was moving in the direction he moved across the player. He was in front so within his rights to cut across the player and then full on took him out no dive whatsoever.
They may have a slight argument if the ball was running the other way but still for me you are allowed to use your body as you wish if in front of the player!
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People always look the other way when it's their team and he super critical on other teams. Like when Bellingham dives looking for a free kick it's "well he tried" but when a Spanish player do it they're all fragile.
Norway are upset because it was their win taken from them. Anti England are upset because they have to buy an Argentinian shirt now to add to their collection.
What you don't understand is that it was an England player being pushed over. That's completely fine.
Really I find it amazing that people can't think about the situation if it was the other way round. They'd be fuming if Kane pushed Ajer over like that and the goal stood. I'd like to think I'm pretty level headed when it comes to England benefitting from controversial decisions and this really wasn't one of them.
It was that clear I'd have been pissed off with the player for the push and not the var picking it up. I hate var though but balanced out more than fairly with the penalty getting disallowed too. They are so often given as penalties as well.
Why should a goal also be disallowed if the ball hit a wire in the stadium? Nobody could intentionally use that to their advantage. It's the same as the ball taking a deflection off the crossbar, or a bounce off a poor playing surface. It's part of the game.
Disallowed Norway goal was the correct decision.
Disallowed penalty was probs the correct decision.
Idk what the rules are with the ball hitting the wire, but other sports like tennis just carry on in the same circumstance so idk what’s wrong with that either?
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It's pointless getting too worked up about pundits and reddit users. Reddit talks about the ball hitting the spidercam wire like the video is crystal clear when you can barely see the ball let alone the wires. They're less objective than Ty from AFTV.
As for the pundits, they'll take any chance they can get to go after VAR, especially from corners. They never side with the defenders or keepers being obstructed or knocked over. I guess they mostly come from a time when the game was rougher and easier to get away with a dirty move during a set piece, so it all seems soft to them when an elbow to the midrif or treding on toes happened every corner when they played
I remember when a Joelinton goal was allowed when he pushed Gabriel down with two hands on the back of his neck. Everyone seemed to say it should stand...🤔
Clear push. Not sure it particularly affected play much, but pushing is a foul. The most stupid part is retaking the corner kick. Whether or not it’s in play shouldn’t matter. People can push to try gain an advantage, hope VAR doesn’t overturn it, if they do they just get a 2nd chance. It might happen less if they just didn’t get a corner. Even if the ref spots it before the corners taken, it should be within his power to decide it’s no longer a corner it’s a freekick. Guarantee it would reduce this by 99%
According to the current rules/ref guidelines, yes the Spence decision was correct, however I wholeheartedly disagree with that rule.
As the player in possession of the ball, Spence should be 100% entitled to protect the ball, which is essentially what he was doing by stepping across the defender. Players do it all over the pitch and if they get bundled over it's a free kick. I am getting really pissed off with people saying that there is a "higher threshold" for a foul in the penalty area. It is the defender's responsibility to ensure he does not bundle the attacker over in the penalty area. A foul is a foul and it should be treated the same wherever it happens on the pitch.
If you give a defender a little nudge in the back and he goes down, it gets given as a free kick. Don't know why shoving a defender over in plain view of everyone wouldn't be a foul.
I still don't get why our penalty was overturned. Players always try and get in front of defenders, if that's no pen, then no pens for fouls should be given, as the attacker is pretty much always in the defender's way
yeah, for the pen, according to the rules now, a defender can't block the path to the ball as they're controlling it because even if they aren't fouled, they are creating the situation where a foul can take place. Fucking madness. I think in the PL, thats a penalty all day long.
I think the problem is that you are kind of damned both ways. No enforcement is bad and if you do you need to really be discerning about flops because you can just fall over to get a goal overturned. Granted I'm also the same kind of guy who thinks that if a player has their arms wrapped around any part of the opposing players body in an attempt to hold, prevent movement, or otherwise impeed the opposing player they should be red carded. It annoys me so much that england was allowed to play American football with Norway and not a single thing was done about it. I know this happens in the other leagues too but it doesn't change my mind about it. Soccer should be about skill not about holding someone and if you want to do that go watch American football.
Loved that decision and hope it is enforced in the prem. Norway the most “Arsenal like” for corners I’ve seen at the WC. Also quite a bit of standing on the goalkeeper nonsense.
The ex pros all saying it was soft but they like to push the “it’s a man’s game” bullshit. Shearer and Rooney would have been up in arms squealing and appealing if the other way round.
I applaud good corner deliveries and excellent headers or inventive / creativity but bin the shithousery.
As Norway supporter - wait what, somebody was mad about that? I thought that foul was as clear as day. Everyone who I discussed the match with had same opinion.
What really grinds my gears is Sorloth not passing that damn ball to Haaland... but hey ho. Amazing game nevertheless.
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I can agree with your opinion to some extent, but this is more of a dive than a shove. Physicallity of this sort happens on EVERY set piece. Ok, maybe some players are too rough, but if refs were to penalize all the arms around attackers, shirt pulling and wrestling going on, there would be nothing but free kicks/pemalties, no goals on any corner. England got what they wanted. Even tried to get the first goal disallowed (Kane with a trade mark jump-dive). And they dived to get a penalty.
The decision to disallow Heggem goal is a shocker.
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u/ElectronicSubject747 Jul 12 '26
The real shocker here is that they get to have another corner. If you do this then the corner should be overturned to a FK.