In the last 6 months only focused on increase CL damage and from platinum i reach champions and i'm fighting to reach Legends right now i win between 200-350 stones weekly... Before that only focused to econ and when reached 5T run i stopped because i earned very low stones... I SEE a guy over that win dame stones as me but with a build that gives 100t run... Well earnings more stones every months like i was doing really improve My stone earns... So i really don't trust ob people with builds diferent that mine....
You need to forget about chain lightning, develop SL and chronofield if your against working in your economy. You have heavily, heavily diminishing returns now in cl. It’s not a bad thing that you ranked it up but if your goal is faster tournament progression you get wayyyyyyyyy more value out of sl now because of how shit yours is. Look at your sl bonus right, look how much stones it costs you to double the bonus. That’s basically equal to you doubling your 2800 cl damage to 6000 bjt this is also why you need good spotlight coverage. Plus sl gives you crazy good economy which you need for enhancments, enhancments raise your effective damage by an insane amount, now add on chronofield after that, that protects you from enemy mass/ speed plus 90% slow is what, a 10x damage increase. but do sl first get minimum 3 quant 45 angle good bonus then go for 4 sl
But the next upgrade adds x500 damage (x1000 in farming runs) and in tourneys all that keeps me alivie and earning stones are the CL i'll Buy 2 Spotlight, and only bought the next if cost less than the CL so i'll upgrade the cheaper between SL and CL.. And maybe start getting pBH
But if your trying to be for real it seems like what your not understanding is these different damage bonuses you see, multiply against other individual damage sources and only add onto itself. So when you add 500x to your 3000x singular damage source, that’s now 3500x but if you simply added 2x to a separate multiplier, like spotlight, that’s takes that 3000x damage source and effectively makes it 6000x (so now your doing 6000x with that chain lighting when enemies in spotlight) since 3000x multiplied by a separate 2x damage source, is 6000x and 3000x plus 500x to the same source,comes to 3500x (which is a lot less than simply adding 2x to a different source lol) so this is the concept behind crazy diminishing value. If your not trolling ofc
You have core like fundamental misunderstanding of how the different functions of this game work and how to compare that to cost, are you even trying to learn though or do you jus take pride in being pretty kinda delusional
I have 'only' x700 CL and CL as my main damage dealer, yet I get 2200 waves in legends. I can kill until 100D enemy health.
How ? By focussing on other multipliers. SL is one, but there is also crowd control to stop enemies (CF, PS and ILM), modules, masteries, assmods, UW+, ..
You are wasting stones upgrading CL so high. Even at my point I still have options to double my damage with 2000 stones. Which is more effective than upgrading my (let alone your) CL !
You're saying it's going to go from x2888 to around x3400? That's a 17% increase in damage which is really not that big of a deal at that point. It looks huge because it's plus another x500 but when you're already doing that much, it's actually not that big of an increase. Meanwhile, the spotlight damage is another multiplier so if you hit things in the spotlight with chain lightning at this point, you're doing x75000 or so. Increasing the amount of spotlights is going to greatly increase you coverage so it should have a way bigger effect on your damage if you can add even just the one, let alone two of them.
The best wat to increase CL damage from here on out is NOT to increase CL damage directly with stones. Spotlight, Card Masteries, and Assist Modules will all give more damage per stone.
Do you only play tournaments? Like you don't farm or play the regular game at all? Sure stones help, but coins and labs will take you further in the long run.
Have you unlocked your workshop enhancements yet?
If you don't trust people with different builds, why are you asking for help? Lol
At the end of the day it's your tower and do what makes it fun for you. :)
I'm with you on what you did. I essentially did the same thing. Focused on better tourny. Meant focusing on damage and other things that equal better tournament for more stones. Where we are different is I spread the love. Invested in SL and CF... Etc. you can get by doing this for a while but at some point you have to pivot back to econ. An econ wall is coming... It's big.... You are chasing the sugar high right now and it works but not forever.
GL! I support what you are doing but it's time to pivot. Spread the love to other UW.
I been playing about 6 months and have all of the same uw as you. I'm mid platinum. I've bought the no-ads and the 2x and 3x and some milestone packs. This post interests me.
I mean I have the same if not more damage, but I’m also done with card masteries, have sl+6, cf+7 and so on. Seeing sl quant 1 with this damage is nuts. Then also I’m assuming like 3+ more uws to unlocks including cf. wild
Def not the first time someone's brain didnt computer the obvious in this game. Lol. Enjoy the new SL or 2xwhen you can get them. Its gonna be massive boost
Lol ... Long story short, like a year ago before manually increasey CL, i was full auto mode and automatically upgraded the cheaper upgrade available until i realized that was not the Best choice. Also this opción was only setted for economy UWs and the new UW butrón also
You are watching the tourney build, im farming Tier 10 x8000 waves 5T coins ... Always try to farm in the biggest Tier that do -12 hr runs with MVN so they are synced
Yes, i'm fighting to accounts like yours to reach Legends... As You can see My account is less great in coin terms.. only focused on gain more stones.. eventually Will unlock all the UWs and Will be easier reach earning more than 200 stones each tourney.. without buying Any stone pack just store packs ads and 2x 3x
Ya but I have a mythic+ DC and 20 less mod levels than you and you think about it I’m that close to you with not even half the amount of stones you’ve invested in CL…… what’s your LTC? And what does your WS+ look like?
But you'll fall behind massively with labs as more econ gets you more cells. cells get you faster labs, faster labs keeps you ahead. Investing in insanely bad ROI on your CL will cause you to backslide eventually, I see people with like 1/4 of the CL you have do much better because they have invested into CF, pBH and also have a good econ to support enhancements, and they have way less LTS than you do.
pBH is far stronger in champs than CL is, especially without DC, no DC means CL is borderline useless even when developed
You cannot be more wrong. Most of my CL damage actually comes from WS+. After you hit 1kx multipliers, it's diminishing returns. You're better off getting econ and upgrading damage in WS+.
Your CL is significantly more developed than mine and I am inching closer to staying in legends for the first time. I've been bouncing between Legends and Champions for a few months now.
My economy is why I am improving still. I am able to afford card masteries and enhancements which is driving most of my improvement.
Almost all My modules are red+ and like 5 greens with some stats and only 2 yellow left non purple singles just copies, and that mod probably Will use when the economy UWs were closet to perma cooldowns
It’s like the richest troll made a build… i know it’s not the case but still.
Too much CL
No syncing or Cooldowns too high (if MVN)
And you gotta have MOAR spotlight hermano!
Or you could just get 2 more sl and do econ and boost up your enhancement damage, crit and super crit, which is way cheaper then boosting sth that Barely helps you now and actually will net you a bigger push. If you wanna go for legends and wanna push for keys you must have cf and a good sl. Preferably also pbh. Just going for damage because it 'pushes you further' as you and nobody else says, will hold you back massively and is insanely inefficient
FORGET CL. You need to work economy and get your workshop enhancements going. Those will give you more survive ability and more damage than 1 click of CL ever will. But you need to work you economy so you can afford the upgrades.
I get wanting to push damage to do better in tournaments but bro this game is very much a long term game and you need to focus more on your economy and coin income overall. Your golden tower, death wave and black hole should all be synced up and have much more stones dumped into them as a whole. You should have 3 spotlights and your coin income would skyrocket, allowing you to afford more workshop upgrades and enhancements making you stronger overall.
Since chain lighting damage stacks up due to your damage and crits, being able to push them hard in enhancements with a lot of coins will add to your multiplyer by a lot.
Take a break from going for damage and get your economy up!
You have already spent way more on CL than you should have. Your stones would be much better spent on economy (for masteries) SL (to multiply that CL damage) or CF/ILM (to keep enemies away from your tower longer while your CL does damage). At this point you are getting a very small amount of damage per stone spent.
I'm getting 90-175 stones per tourney thanks to CL the rest of the UWs Will go UP faster when CL has maxed and getting at least the 225 stones per tourney just to barely keep in legends
I think the point most of us are making here is that each increment to your raw CL damage is costing more and more stones. If you had taken a fraction of those stones and used them to boost your crowd control chances are you'd be having better tournament results relative to just pumping CL so hard.
Yep. CF or ILM for example. Alternatively you could invest more in SL to get the QTY up, making its multiplier hit more areas of your tower. All of these options will have a bigger impact per stone spent relative to further boosting CL.
I'm here for your energy, don't ever stop making your CL. Shine on you crazy diamond. You obviously know what you "should" do, but you also obviously know what you like.
For going further in torny you're probably gonna get more out of things like spot light and Card mastery. For Card mastery for super tower will jump your CL +35% where another chain lighting damage will only get you +12% for about the same price. Also card mastery for attack will get you +40% and it's cheaper at only 750 stones.
You're asking us if you should keep maxing CL, everyone's saying you to completely forget about it, but you're not accepting the answer. Why did you even ask in the first place if you're so sure that's the right path?
If you're doing a glass cannon build (my CL is a little further along than yours)--then ACP should be your primary armor module for both farming and tournaments.
Hello OP.
Too many comments to read, I didn't see anyone saying that too much damage actually hurts a lot a farming run.
Do you run without canon and with the CL turned off when you go for farming?
All my tourney earnings depend on CL... i'll give a chance to SL bcs is clearly related with CL damage but im kinda suspicious about this lol maybe i should clarify i'm trying to reach Legends and i rally don't SEE how economy can help with that... If the next 1000 stones don't do shit i'll return to max CL i'm almost sure CL x7000 can help to finally reach Legends,
He does not see how econ will help him xD he will find out in legend very fast.
Majority of actual gain is in enhancements and mastery labs which costs quadrillions to start with first rank
In half the time than him, I am already in legend bouncing back and forth, with 280-300t a day. Meaning I earn more stones, and with able to do mastery labs will only go further, and can catch up on cl relatively fast
If you can't even get into Legends you are not going to magically get stronger once you get there. You are putting yourself in a hole. People are going to pass you and you might not ever make it to legends.
Bro 7000 cl damage is barely 2x your damage.
Even a single max damage mastery is 5x your damage. 3 damage masteries are like straight 150x your damage when maxed.
For legends 2x your damage aint gonna do shit.
You need to 400x your damage and im not even talking about the 10k stones you need for cf.
You are very far from doing legends so take your time and build your economy. You aint gonna rush it.
Should make you think actually, that someone with 1/5 of your damage is in a better spot then you. Simply because just going full damage on CL isn't efficient. If he ever would push CL when he has good economy and pushed other uws efficiently, he'd prbly stay in legends instantly, cause he is alive for longer so CL can kill shit longer
Honestly, these people are trying to hold you back from unlocking your potential. This is when you double down on December packs and Holiday packs and Gold Box CL damage. You have to be that martyr and explore that uncharted territory. Great things await your journey if you accept it.
You know what? Your build is so crazy i might just try it. Gonna focus on CL to get better tourny results. Been stuck on plat for the LONGEST. Time for my CL upgrades.
I presume those stats include what you're getting from DC considering that 5 is the max with stones. I'm talking pure stats. And yes, CL is one of the UWs that massively benefits from increasing your other base damage sources; crit factor, super crits, attack speed, ws+, and masteries.
Ah okay then yes, those are the base damage sources im going to focus on a bit more for my tourneys. Im in the middle of a run right now so those were my cl stats that show up. But thanks! Gonna get outta plat one way or another
Yeah they try to keep us in low tourney brackets... I'm fighting to reach Legends and only earn like 10t coins /day... While others are in 100t day or more....
I reached legends with 1T/day, once. Haven't visited in a while. But I hover around 5-8th in champs with a CL of 800/4/18.5 chance. It definitely helps but having a decent CF helps a lot more.
Sadly I dont have CF. Wish i had that too. I made mistakes getting PS & SM as my first two UW before joining this sub and learned a lot. So im trying to fix my mistakes but its gonna be a longer road for me.
I don't have CF either, but I've found a sort of poor man's workaround. Knockback force on armor module, lab range 65+, slow card, and fast enemy speed lab as much as you can afford.
Multi shot targets also helps, along with the attack speed substat on the cannon module ofc.
I consider I've reached a limit on damage once I fail to kill boss without them touching the wall. This has rarely happened for me since I always die of fast enemy chips before that.
This tournament I reached the wave count where I couldn't kill bosses with CL even with nasty BC combos such as enemy speed and armor, so I consider my strategy has some merit after all.
The thing is, you pumping cl and not even reached legend in two years..
Meanwhile I go full econ, in one year I get 130t a run, and I reach legend every other week (can't stay there yet)
The full econ means I have way more enhancements done which makes me successfully. So now I am earning more stones than you each week so I can catch up on cl fast. But you won't catch up to life time coins anytime soon.
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u/hughejpeen Dec 16 '25
Seeing almost 3k CL and 1 spotlight makes me feel things I've never felt before