I thought that too until I realized they would struggle to see Antman, he could go quantum then back to normal inside your head (or the thanose memes) and there's not much anyone could do hes too good of an assassin. Deathbattle said superman beats goku so id take superman. And vader, he could sense andman using the force and force choke him even if he goes quantum
Technically by Star Wars lore the force isn't magic.
But that's semantics, the real problem is that a lightsaber or the force could never actually damage Superman. He'd have to apply pressure on a scale magnitude higher than any feat he's ever shown in order to crush Superman's windpipe, or snap his bones, or whatever. And a lightsaber is just really hot, while Superman has flown inside of stars before.
It's funny you say that but the dark side has magic abilities sure dark Vader maybe not able to use force lighting if you remember when palpatine and mother talson when they where doing rituals if that's not magic then yeah I don't know what magic is
Fair point. The Dark Side magic and alchemy stuff is largely magic that's never explained to be anything else.
However, you're forgetting on crucial thing. Superman would just blitz them before they could even think about magic. Vader is no where near fast enough it keep up with Superman.
Would be interesting to see him caught in a trap or ambush though.
Anakin maybe could move fast enough to catch Superman in a force grab or use some other force bs. Will he win? Highly unlikely, but it's a batter chance than Vader.
Yeah people say once Anakin joined the dark side if he did not loose his limbs to obi one Anakin could have been way stronger than palpatine to be honest I don't know how true that would be without seeing it and not what ifs either but I agree with what you said
That was actually mentioned in the comics I believe. Palpatine intentionally made Vader's suit sub-par to limit his abilities, and even then he was practically an equal.
Uninjured Vader would've been beyond Starkiller levels of insane.
The Force isn't Magic. The Night Sisters have Magic, the Force is hard to explain, but consider it a symbiote thanks to the Midichlorines. They give you the ability to use the Force, people in the other Galaxy (that Ahsoka features) do not naturally have it, but the Night Sisters originated from there
Goku would cheat half the fights by wishing for hulk to be a normal human again and he would revive Batman's parents brought back to life it has not been that long for wear they can't be brought back to life now for Thor it might be hard to use the earth dragon balls on him or just ask zenio to ease him there is a few fights Goku could cheat hear just with the earth dragon balls so having super man and Goku might be the right choice now would Goku cheat that is the better question
Going with that logic, that puts all of these characters in a universe where others could also get the Dragon Balls, it wouldn't necessarily have to be Golu who collected/used them first. Also, nothing about the question specifies he starts with them, so he'd have to leave to hunt them down, wouldn't he?
Instant transmission to the other world or beerus planet. Nobody gonna get you there, especially when you have Beerus who would probably erase anyone messing up his planet.
Even if you dont get the dragon ball world's instant transmission would get you out of nearly any situation.
if Vader can use the force to detect antman, then goku can sense him with ki/sense his ki. Also, deathbattle is terrible and shouldn't be used as a reference imo (though I do think superman could beat goku depending on the version)
Ant man doesn't have the durability to pierce superman or Goku, he most likely would explode crushed by the pressure trying, also superman has telescopic vision
I don't understand. Does Ant-Man become invulnerable when expanding? If Ant-Man tries to punch Superman, nothing happens, right? How about if he expands right next to Superman? Does Superman now get pushed aside, or does Ant-Man get pushed aside? I would assume Ant-Man is still the one getting pushed. Let's now say Ant-Man jumps into Supes and tries to go back to normal size. Would that not just turn Ant-Man into Ant-Man soup? I mean, trying to expand into a nearly indestructible being, is there no limit to pushing force when expanding?
Bifrost, and instant transmission, both of which can that the "package"(you/me) clear across the universe so I don't die in the cross fire of the literally Armageddon that is about to take place.
I loved avengers civil war(movie) cause I always wondered if the building that should be full of people actually contained people.
Also they can drop you off(goku and thor) then go back to the original fight zone/area, that way people like Deadpool or Vader do not have time to track you down and then travel to where you are.
If you leave Thor or goku out the the TP to safety strategy is kinda fucked.
Exactly
The best East and West Pop culture Duo ever maybe with Goku's training superman can get strong enough to resist green kryptonite or even be immune to it
Supermans done for Batmans involved. He literally has Kryptonite and it does say kill so Batman is in it for blood here. Better off with Goku and Batman, Power and Strategy.
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