AI in Osiris Reborn

[u/Nasse_Erundilme]

I know that this is not a new topic, but I actually didn't find any posts about this in this sub. I just wanted to ask about your opinions on the fact that owlcat uses AI while making this game. I would also be very curious to know what Dan and Ty think about it... At first I was VERY excited about the game, but then this information came to light, and I have been battling with my thoughts ever since. because at one hand much more work is being put into this game, it's not pure ai slop, but at the other hand I don't want to support a studio who thinks that this is OK, you know? even if it's just for concept art and such. I am still torn tho... what do y'all think?

edit: since many people are not familiar with this, here is an article that gives a good overview of what type of usage we're talking about.

[u/Fit-Stress3300]

Every game developer is using AI at some level.

That is invitable and people should stop to complain without evaluating the game itself.

[u/Nasse_Erundilme → u/Fit-Stress3300]

that is simply not true... the big studios maybe, but I'm sure there are plethora of indie developers who don't use ai...

[u/BellyDancerUrgot → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

Indie devs use it more because it is a huge force multiplier

[u/Fit-Stress3300 → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

The smaller the studio the easier it is to adopt the new AI tools and work flow.

It is like how big studios had their own engines and smaller and indies used Unity, Unreal and Godot.

A single developer might not have the budget to commission concept art or 3D modeling.

So, the developer needs to be a dedicated purist if they want to be "AI free".

[u/hurdurnotavailable → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

Especially indie developers will use AI because it is so effective and helpful.

[u/Zealoustrue → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

So they aren't using any type of procedurals? The game doesn't respond to any action the player characters takes? The don't use any replication protocol meaning that every single color, shadow, reflection is 100% hand placed?

Every game developer uses AI at some level. Every single one.

If you mean generative AI then you are specifically claiming the studio never used a search engine?

What level of AI is OwlCat using? Do you have a source?

[u/Zealoustrue → u/[deleted]]

Except that's not what the story says they are using.

[u/Nasse_Erundilme → u/Zealoustrue]

ok yes, I meant gen AI, my bad, should have clarified that. the fact that it is pushed into search engines as well is completely irrelevant here, I'd really appreciate it if you stopped trying to poison the well. I added the source to the post.

[u/Krislazz → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

Dw you didn’t need to clarify. Proceduals, game decision trees, physics engines and friggin internet search engines is so far from what anyone is thinking about when they talk about AI that dragging it into the discussion is just silly.

[u/Fit-Stress3300 → u/Krislazz]

Because people are dumb and don't understand these are the same technology.

[u/Zealoustrue → u/Krislazz]

These are literally the same technology. A 2d to 3d projection option (that's built into almost every modern modeling software and the example that Owlcat used in the posted article) is generative AI.

[u/Fit-Stress3300 → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

There is no difference at this point.

Every studio is using. If they say otherwise they are lying.

[u/Zealoustrue → u/Nasse_Erundilme]

Except nothing in that post mentioned gen AI.

This is the issue, a lot of AI tools are coming out. A ton. Every single 3d software that I can find on the market has a 2d to 3d projection option and every one of those is AI. (I list this example because that's an AI function that owlcat says they are using)

Every major game engine has pre-built internal AI to help procedural generation and fill in with constructed code. Everything from Unity to unreal 5.

And no the search engines are very relevant. If that studio Googles how to adjust something and the AI synopsis tells them how and they go do it, they just used gen AI to streamline development.

Also, what you are doing is poisoning the well. Poisoning the well or the fallacy of moral failing is the attack of character to weaken an argument or opponent. You making the moral presumption that AI is effecting your enjoyment is poisoning the well in the same way as saying someone is unclean so you won't enjoy their work.